Harder puncher at 160 - Jones or GGG?

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by JohnThomas1, Oct 7, 2020.


Who hit harder at 160?

  1. RJJ

  2. It's a wash/i have no stones.

  3. GGG

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  1. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    Anybody who thinks that Murray was levels above Watson is obviously not familiar with his career.

    If his career hadn't have been cut tragically short, I'm sure that he'd have been in the mix at SMW, where he'd likely have rematched Benn and fought guys like Collins etc.
     
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  2. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. banned Full Member

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    DUCK DUCK DUCK. Which questions, you ask many. I took time out to answer them. Post them now and I'll answer them, but only if you answer mine in return honestly.

    If you ask me my favorite color and I say green but you wanted to hear blue, you have to understand that's how I see it. Saying Green is not twisting things or ignoring your question.

    In advance I think Toney got whipped by Tiberi ( who beat no one ) who landed
    170 more punches. Tiberi who could have been out of ideal shape, took the fight on less notice and 7 weeks rest too. If a fighter is un-injured 7 weeks is plenty of time to rest and have a full camp. Toney was active. He wanted an extra pay day vs. a mildly talented, no power opponent and lost. We both agree on this was al all time robbery, If he wasn't 100% this fight would have been made. Got it? Its a stain on Toney's record, period. That is my opinion and its unlikely to change. Maybe if you can show me crystal clear evidence of a fix, or Toney being extremely ill, I'll revise.

    I've got something, its probably a game changer but it would requite your honesty as its not a favorite color type of question. They are black and white, yes or now. 1 or 0. There is no wiggle room. You'll see. I think you somewhat worried to read and answer what I am about to present. Post your questions again that you were not satisfied with my answer them my turn. Your move chief.
     
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  3. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

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    Cool, I didn't know Sulecki was the opponent, but I knew there were some cancellations. There's a major difference in on and off preparing for Sulecki, and fighting GGG.
    You've seen an old Tate then. Well done. Julian Jackson failed to mallet Tate. I highly doubt those two with their featherfists get it done.
    No. Doesn't matter unless you're implying that Jones hit notably harder as he moved up.
    You should get some new material.

    And I understand what I'm watching. You clearly don't.
    If all of your arguments are pathetic rehashes of what I've said, then you may as well just quit while you're behind.

    And if you're talking objectively, then Malinga, Hill and Tate were tougher than Ishida, Geale & Murray. Saying otherwise in an opinion, what I've just said is a fact.

    The only rampant fanboys here are you and Mendoza.
     
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  4. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

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    Mendoza still ducking.
     
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  5. Devon

    Devon Boxing Addict Full Member

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    How is it bizarre? I took everything into consideration beforehand, it is clear to the eye that Golovkin has heavier hand and does more damage with his punches, there is clearly more force there, and he throws power shots on a consistent more so than Jones, Golovkin punches harder with every punch especially bodyshots, it's there on video to watch
     
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  6. Man_Machine

    Man_Machine Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yes, it's quite obvious that the hyperbolic backing of Murray is there to simply prop up Golovkin's soft resume. But, hey - were we expecting anything more substantial and well-reasoned from the Golovkinettes?
     
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  7. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. banned Full Member

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    Dino, thanks for the laugh. You calling me out is rich.. Make your icons, act like your a correct. It only makes my reply, well more fun. Even piñatas have their breaking points, you're overdue.

    http://philboxing.com/news/story-32215.html

    Jacob Hall: “ Roy Jones tested positive for steroids. He was five or six times over an acceptable level. " BAM.

    So you see my claims are almost always correct. If you want to be correct research them a bit before jumping up and down and doing what you do, okay? Doghouse boxing had the breaking new article, if you're interested. Now answer my question, how much of a power increase would testing 5-6X the legal limit give to Jones? You asked for Povetkin, and I replied.

    Thanks.
     
  8. JohnThomas1

    JohnThomas1 VIP Member

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    You obviously have no clue what i actually said.
     
  9. Man_Machine

    Man_Machine Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Your blanket characterizing of 21 posters, being unable to bring themselves to vote for Golovkin, is your idea of taking everything into consideration??

    :lol:


    Yes - It is:

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    Even an ancient Jones Jr, with reduced speed, reflexes and timing, delivers power with devastating effect, having carried his weight, way north, in a way Golovkin has been a little too shy about attempting.
     
  10. BCS8

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    That's another argument. He'd been training for months.
    They'd beat him from pillar to post. He's not better than them, and he's not better than a lot of Golovkin's other opponents either. That he was tough - yes. That point I already conceded. But then you had to go a step further and claim that "GGG has no stoppage win over a fighter as good" as Tate :duh Instead of acknowledging that maybe you erred with that laughable statement, you doubled down. C'm on.
    Of course fighters hit harder the heavier they get. That's the whole premise behind weightclasses.
    And that is why I say "opinion". It's clearly your (incorrect) opinion. There's no actual way to disprove you
    I'm sorry, I just wanted to save time. If it's pathetic, it's because you typed it first. I'll just tell you to watch the footage next time.
    I'll give you Geale :D
    :lol:
     
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  11. Devon

    Devon Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You criticized my statement and I explained it
     
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  12. JohnThomas1

    JohnThomas1 VIP Member

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    I do. She's up.
     
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  13. BCS8

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    Don't worry, the moment somebody pops on the thread with the outrageous opinion that Golovkin obviously hits harder than RJJ they jump on him as being a fanboy. The same 4 posters seem heavily invested in this. Almost, like, dare I say it ... fanboys :rolleyes:
     
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  14. BCS8

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    Oh good grief
     
  15. JohnThomas1

    JohnThomas1 VIP Member

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    I said this -

    I'm just laughing off at you trying to rationalize the voting via your own spin and putting all your eggs in one heavily imagined basket. You see plenty of bizarre things in here but that little statement is up there with plenty of them.

    I said nothing about your choice of who hit harder. It was your effort at Sigmund Freud i was cackling at. Surely it wasn't that hard to follow.