Wilder-Fury clause?

Doesn’t seem like it, since if the clause had already expired Fury would’ve moved on already and wouldn’t be complaining about it.

It seems neither Fury or Wilder’s people are very eager to make the fight without a crowd. However, at the same time Wilder’s people don’t seem willing to risk letting Fury taking a fight with anybody else, since if Fury takes a loss or gets injured Wilder’s payday goes up in smoke.


Here is Frank Warren’s take for what it’s worth.


Tyson has said enough is enough, he is not going to wait longer and he will fight in London in December.

“That is what will happen. We haven’t finalised who it will be or anything yet, but that is what will happen.

“As far as he is concerned, that contract [with Wilder] is at an end. It can’t go on forever.”

The Queensberry promoter did not lay the blame at Wilder or his team.

“Everybody has worked hard to get the Wilder fight on, but it’s just not happening,” he said.

“It’s not that they [Wilder’s team] have been difficult. We all understand what needs to happen.

“And I’ve said before on this programme, Tyson’s fight back in February with Wilder was the highest grossing heavyweight fight ever in Las Vegas, in terms of gate. So that’s nigh on a $20 million gate; where do we get that from with no crowds? It leaves a massive hole.

“So we are basically looking for a territory or a country to come up with what we call in the business a "site fee" to pay that. But unfortunately, because of the virus and various other problems, it has just not happened so we have got to move on.”

While Warren acknowledged that a Wilder fight could eventually be arranged, his focus is on finding an opponent for the WBC heavyweight in December.

“Maybe next year or some time down the road we will do it, but our immediate job is to get Tyson sorted out for December.
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Its a money issue. Neither can be paid what has been promised without a venue full of fans. Best to shelve it for now.

 

I read that it expired on October 9, but have no idea if it is true. In any event, Fury has stated that he is moving on, and Wilder apparently cannot be reached for comment.

If you want to know what is going on, make post-its with the following reasons the fight is not going to happen, attach them to a dart board, and throw:

1) The contract has either expired or is about to.
2) Fury has stated that he is moving on, and no one can physically make him fight.
3) Wilder has been unavailable for comment and does not seem to be challenging events.
4) Wilder himself said that he is still injured and has not been training.
5) Arum and Warren say they cannot make money with no crowd.
6) Concerns have been brought up about placing this event in December, when various other sports are in full swing.
7) It is seriously doubtful that they could make big money WITH a crowd, as a very small percentage of fans want to see this fight.

Take your pick.

 

I’ve read online that if the fight cannot be made and signed off on by October 15th then Fury is no longer obliged to fight wilder

 

I actually just listened to the Bob Arum interview, and this is exactly as he says it. Even that was an extension from a July deadline.

The talk of December was voluntary on all parts, and since it now looks as if that can't be done, it is voluntary, and up to Fury who wants to fight this year.

So there you have it.

 

The Arum interview is probably the best source for now. The reason he's probably reliable in this case is that Finkel is his brethren so it's unlikely he wants to undermine him.

I think Fury and promoters are lucky that the situation killed this fight. Because they're lunatics. (It's possible Team Wilder were making it difficult to kill it and save face, we'll never know). But it was insane to willingly fight Wilder three times and give a puncher's chance specialist that much opportunity. Wilder is not the guy you keep rematching once you've taken him out. Not only does he have the best puncher's chance out there, he also has very fast hands. That's different from big lumps with KO punches that are dangerous but where you are unlikely to get hit by something you don't see and suddenly wake up on the mat without your belt.

 

sure he would know better then anyone so that’s that hopefully

 

Wilder has no real ground to standing on really. Arum has said there's no way to make the fight unless the fans are there to make it financially viable.

And the term to make the fight happen HAS expired.

Wilder wont win a court case.


P.S. Why am I not allowed to post links to boxing scenes website?

 

The potential ground to stand on depends on the contract and what measures were in place for unusual circumstances. A lot of contracts have a force majeure clause covering Acts of God etc which may affect the ability of either party to fulfill their obligations.

In this instance, it's neither parties fault that the fight couldn't generate the money it otherwise would have. Could Team Wilder argue that the countdown clock on the rematch clause should pause until normal / near normal conditions return?

Could Team Fury argue that this would represent unreasonable restraint of trade?

I'd argue yes and yes, with a judge then being required to determine which case prevails. So we could see this go to court, depending on the contents of the contract, the confidence of Team Wilder and maybe the willingness of Team Fury to compromise on future rematch at a set date?

I think in other words this won't get to court and is more likely being used as leverage to keep a seat at the table for Wilder's team. Pure speculation though.

On Boxing scene, I think there's some history betwixt this site and that one which has previously led to tensions and which culminated in links to that site being banned.

 

Thanks for the info. I hope this crap doesn't get in the way of either of the AJ/Fury fights.

I think the agreement could be that Fury fights him again after the 2 fights, but if Wilder was a reasonable person, he'd just step aside. No one wants to see Fury v Wilder 3, at least not at the moment.

 

Barring a favourable interpretation by a judge, which is a big gamble, the best thing Wilder could do in my view is to extract whatever they can from this clause leverage and then focus on rebuilding his reputation with US boxing fans. A couple of good wins against good opposition would go a long way to making him a desirable opponent for whichever champion emerges from AJ vs Fury.

If Wilder puts together, convincing wins over Ruiz Jr, Whyte, Usyk, that level of fighter, then as a brash, American, big hitting HW there'll be millions of incentives to see him challenge for the undisputed crown. Doubtless the WBC would be helpful too. He would have a redemption story to tell and past history either with the Fury fights or the AJ rivalry. He may not get as big a split as he'd have commanded with the green strap, but he'd still be taking a decent share of the biggest fight of the year. If he can't string those wins together and just puts away the likes of Kownacki, then it will be a harder fight to sell.

 

I agree. I don't want to see Wilder quit. He should work his way back up the rankings.