Highly controversial fights that are forgotten

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  1. Unforgiven

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    Maybe he wasn't. But I can't think of many lightweights Duran beat who were better, never mind much better.
    Buchanan's probably in the top 2 or 3 of Duran's lightweight wins.
    It might actually be his best win at 135.
     
  2. klompton2

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    Dejesus was head and shoulders above Buchanan. Buchanan was no better than Thompson, Lampkin, or Viruet when Duran fought them.
     
  3. Mike Cannon

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    What about referee Jack Welch helping Ad Wolgast to his feet, while at the same time counting out Joe Rivers, after the double knockdown, seems dodgy .
     
  4. JohnThomas1

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    No doubt Duran was winning easily and heading toward victory.

    No idea how hard the punch was as it's impossible to tell really. I have no idea if Ken was trying to milk a DQ. It's possible but it's somewhat a guess.

    Duran fought dirty at times but the bout was never out of control from memory.

    Buchanan was an excellent fighter imo.


    Buchanan was noticeably better than those guys, a different level for sure.
     
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  5. Unforgiven

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    Yeah, DeJesus might have been better but "head and shoulders better" ? I'm not convinced of that.
    DeJesus isn't exactly a thoroughbred ATG.

    If Buchanan's no better than Viruet or Lampkin, the ranking of 135 Duran possibly takes a further hit. As dominant and as admirable as his reign was, there's an issue over quality of opposition here.
     
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  6. klompton2

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    Theres always been an issue of quality of opposition for Durans lightweight reign. Ive never heard anyone dispute that it was a relatively weak era. But Duran, a natural lightweight, having do much success against guys like Leonard, Hagler, Palomino, etc says a lot about what he would have accomplished against other all time great lightweights or a deeper division. I dont see Buchanan as great or special at all. He was a typical standup European style boxer. Straight up and down, jab, one two. He wasnt any better than the guys I mentioned and yes Dejesus was head and shoulders above him IMO.
     
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  7. Flo_Raiden

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    Bump.
    John Riel Casimero vs Luis Lazarte deserves a mention. This was before Casimero became a bigger player in the lower weight division and started fighting in the opponents backyard. The fight was not only dirty and foul filled but it also sparked a huge riot from the Argentinian crowd, displaying disgusting behavior as bad as Hagler vs Minter.
    Definitely a horrible night of boxing, and one that is almost completely forgotten now.

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  8. NickChristo

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    Marlon Starling - Molinares, one of Starlings best performances where he seemed to actually take the fight and training for it seriously, not a common thing for Starling obviously, taking Molinares to school and he gets caught with a big right hand after the bell rings.

    Andrew Dalton - 'Six Heads' Lewis, Lewis had to leave the ring to use the toilet after having a shake pre fight that didn't agree with him. Also ahead on all scorecards.

    James Toney - Dave Tiberi, should've been a clear Tiberi win.
    Pernell Whitaker - Jose Luis Ramirez I, clear Whitaker win.
     
  9. Saad54

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    Alfredo Escalera W15 Tyrone Everett
     
  10. Saad54

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    Starling was known to be a dilligent trainer.
     
  11. TBooze

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    A lot of those named bouts were indeed controversial, but hardly forgotten...
     
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  12. Cecil

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    Shibata vs Marcel Thil in 1971?
     
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  13. mochabuzz

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    Santana vs Norris I & II. Very forgettable fights... LOL!
     
  14. mochabuzz

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    Yep... I remember watching that fight when I was in 8th grade... it was a shocking decision! I'm still kinda pissed about that.
     
  15. Saintpat

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    I believe Roy Jr wore silver trunks as a pro until he won a title as a reminder and motivator.