You can post your questions as much as you want, they won’t be answered until you answer mine. Stop embarrassing yourself and answer my question. By your own admission, GG DID NOT FIGHT CANELO OR JACOBS IN HIS PRIME. That means that you cannot use their names. My question is specifically focusing on GG’s prime. By your own admission, GG’s last prime fight was the one against Dominic Wade. So GG didn’t fight Brook, Jacobs or Canelo in his prime. Answer the question. In his prime, did GG fight any opponent as good as the versions of Mike McCallum who Toney fought? Yes or No?
HAHAHA,I am talking about Toney in his prime years fanboy, excuses DO NOT apply. You might as well excuse all of Toney's losses while you are at it.
Hahahahaha The thread is about Toney AT HIS BEST. 60 pages and you still do not get it,You are in the wrong thread my friend !!!
In your prime you are at you best unless inured or severely ill? Got it? We might as well say Toney's opponents were not at their best just because. In fact McCallum was past his prime, fighting Toney in his and they drew. No more replies, I'm waiting for Loudon to reply to my questions. See ya fan boy
Why Can't I use their names, if we won those fights? Beating a good fighter past your prime proves something. In boxing you best opponents don't have to be in your prime. I take it you agree with that and understand. Conversely drawing with a much older fighter while when the other fighter in his prime is not impressive. I answered the McCallum question many times. 1 ) Toney didn't fight a prime McCallum so your point is moot. This content is protected 3 ) Canelo could very well prove to be better than McCallum in his prime. He is still in his prime. You'll have to wait and see. Now can you answer my questions? Ready set go! Please answer yes or no without any spin, tangent, or attempt to undermine the question. Surely you can do this. This should be easy. Question #1. Do you think GGG is a hall of fame bound fighter? Yes or No? Not only do I think he is. I also think he'll earn the first-ballot distinction as possibly the top vote-getter in his class. Question #2 I think both Toney and GGG are top 25 all-time middleweights. Do you agree, Yes or no? Question #3 Do you think Nunn or McCallum are top 25 all-time middleweights? Now be honest, and if the answer is yes for either, Produce a top 25 list to be examined. To help you case you need names for the list, you can use the IBRO at Poll, which voted on their top 20 middleweights with some honorable mention. I was a former member. Most current members shun the web forums by the way. A few do post here. Since the IBRO rarely votes on active fighters, GGG's name is not mentioned, but Toney, who retied did make the honorable mention coming in 25th place overall. Personally, I think Ketchel has no business being where he is, and Toney would beat some rated ahead of him. You may also use Rumsfled's top 15 poll at ESB. 2https://www.ibroresearch.com/2020/03/15645/ Question #4 Do you think Golovkin would beat the 24-11-0 Sanderline Williams? Williams entered having lost three consecutive bouts on points and with a record of 2-7 in his previous nine. Assume this is GGG's 22nd pro fight, same as Toney. Toney drew with Williams. Call KO, UD, SD, Draw, or loss here for GGG. Quesiton #5. Do you think GGG would have to settle for a split decision vs. Sosa who was then an 18-0 greenish fighter and finished a 39-4-2 KO'd 4 times? Yes or no. Call Ko, UD, SD, Draw, or loss for Golovkin. Question #6. Do you think GGG would have to settle for a split decision, being knocked down in the process vs. a Ring Magazine top ten rated Reggie Johnson, or would Golovkin do better in your opinion? Call KO, UD, SD, Draw or loss for Golovkin Question #7 Do you think Golovkin would have to settle for a draw in his prime vs. a 35-year-old Mike McCallum? What's your call here, win, draw or loss. Keep in mind McCallum after this fight, never beat anyone good at middle or super middle and lost 3 more times. McCallum also said he was past his prime at this point, which video would attest to in from his fights years ago. Your call for Golovkin here is KO, UD, SD, Draw, or loss Question #8. Do you think GGG in his prime with 7 weeks to prepare for Dave Tiberi, who also the same amount of time to prepare as would defeat Tiberi? Call KO, UD, Draw or loss, please. We both agree Toney should have lost this fight. Question #9. How would GGG do vs Roy Jones? Better than Toney or worse?. Would he be floored as Toney was? Your answer to this question is? The score cards on Jones vs Toney were: Judge: John Stewart 119-108 in favor of Jones Judge: Glen Hamada 117-110 in favor of Jones Judge: Jerry Roth 118-109 in favor of Jones Unofficial AP scorecard: 119-107 Jones Essentially three cards say Jones up by 9 points, Jones uo by 9 points, and Jones up by 11 points. I think I'll stop here, I look forward to reading your replies. -M
Yes, he is for sure. Although if he retires same year as Pacquiao he has no chance as the number one vote-getter. No on both counts. Nope. Yeah, but it wouldn't be a pushover. A 8-4 deciosn with a KD sounds about how GGG would do. Not adverse to a late stoppage pick, though. GGG SD12, he doesn't go down. No, he'd lose. He'd KO him. Worse. At 168, not only does he lose every round by embarrassing margins, he gets stopped as well.
While I guess legendary fighter like Fitzsimmons in this narrow point of view didn't;t fight anyone as good in his prime. Your, aim is to cut GGGs resume and better wins in half. Hopkins must have missed on own lots of quality wins in this prime to by your standard. And Archie Moore. The beat goes on. I see one question mark asked to me which I have answered many times. To quote you, " Did GG ever fight anyone as good as McCallum in his prime?" Short answer no. GGG did not fight anyone as good as McCallum in his prime, but you can argue he did outside his prime. You have yrru answer. I'm glad you're happy to answer your 9 questions as honestly as you can. You can start now. >>>Please answer yes or no without any spin, tangent, or attempt to undermine the question. Surely you can do this. This should be easy. Question #1. Do you think GGG is a hall of fame bound fighter? Yes or No? Not only do I think he is. I also think he'll earn the first-ballot distinction as possibly the top vote-getter in his class. Question #2 I think both Toney and GGG are top 25 all-time middleweights. Do you agree, Yes or no? Question #3 Do you think Nunn or McCallum are top 25 all-time middleweights? Now be honest, and if the answer is yes for either, Produce a top 25 list to be examined. To help you case you need names for the list, you can use the IBRO at Poll, which voted on their top 20 middleweights with some honorable mention. I was a former member. Most current members shun the web forums by the way. A few do post here. Since the IBRO rarely votes on active fighters, GGG's name is not mentioned, but Toney, who retied did make the honorable mention coming in 25th place overall. Personally, I think Ketchel has no business being where he is, and Toney would beat some rated ahead of him. You may also use Rumsfled's top 15 poll at ESB. 2https://www.ibroresearch.com/2020/03/15645/ Question #4 Do you think Golovkin would beat the 24-11-0 Sanderline Williams? Williams entered having lost three consecutive bouts on points and with a record of 2-7 in his previous nine. Assume this is GGG's 22nd pro fight, same as Toney. Toney drew with Williams. Call KO, UD, SD, Draw, or loss here for GGG. Quesiton #5. Do you think GGG would have to settle for a split decision vs. Sosa who was then an 18-0 greenish fighter and finished a 39-4-2 KO'd 4 times? Yes or no. Call Ko, UD, SD, Draw, or loss for Golovkin. Question #6. Do you think GGG would have to settle for a split decision, being knocked down in the process vs. a Ring Magazine top ten rated Reggie Johnson, or would Golovkin do better in your opinion? Call KO, UD, SD, Draw or loss for Golovkin Question #7 Do you think Golovkin would have to settle for a draw in his prime vs. a 35-year-old Mike McCallum? What's your call here, win, draw or loss. Keep in mind McCallum after this fight, never beat anyone good at middle or super middle and lost 3 more times. McCallum also said he was past his prime at this point, which video would attest to in from his fights years ago. Your call for Golovkin here is KO, UD, SD, Draw, or loss Question #8. Do you think GGG in his prime with 7 weeks to prepare for Dave Tiberi, who also the same amount of time to prepare as would defeat Tiberi? Call KO, UD, Draw or loss, please. We both agree Toney should have lost this fight. Question #9. How would GGG do vs Roy Jones? Better than Toney or worse?. Would he be floored as Toney was? Your answer to this question is? The score cards on Jones vs Toney were: Judge: John Stewart 119-108 in favor of Jones Judge: Glen Hamada 117-110 in favor of Jones Judge: Jerry Roth 118-109 in favor of Jones Unofficial AP scorecard: 119-107 Jones Essentially three cards say Jones up by 9 points, Jones uo by 9 points, and Jones up by 11 points.
Found it. @Mendoza #1. Harry Greb #2. Sugar Ray Robinson #3. Carlos Monzon #4. Marvin Hagler #5. Bernard Hopkins #6. Bob Fitzsimmons #7. Dick Tiger #8. Freddie Steele #9. Charley Burley #10. Holman Williams #11. Jake LaMotta #12. Teddy Yarosz #13. Frank Klaus #14. Stanley Ketchel #15. Mike Gibbons #16. Leo Houck #17. Joey Giardello #18. Tommy Gibbons #19. Lloyd Marshall #20 Emile Griffith #21. Mike O'Dowd #22. Ken Overlin #23. Bert Lytell #24. Tony Zale #25. Gene Fullmer HMs: James Toney, Mickey Walker, Lou Brouillard, Fred Apostli, Tiger Flowers, Billy Papke, Mike McCallum.
I wanted the PM, Let Loudon stand on his own. GGG would wreak some of your picks, and many who you listed are not into HOF, which you agree GGG will end up in.
opinion And a biased one as we all know.A blind man could see he was weight drained against Jones and the history was well documented,You are just an amateur who knows nothing and can not apply context to anything
EXCUSES. You do know about the re-hyydration process in boxing?! A fighter can easily add 15 pounds. What a moron you are. No fan boy, the fight was fair, both made weight and one clowned the other. Toney was the one who was clowned as I pointed out he's not the best boxer out there, and was often very close vs mere top ten types in his prime. One could argue it was one to Roy's easiest points wins at the championship level. Did Toney win more than 2 rounds? Hello? I will say Toney did well in the stare down with Jones. Keep the excuses coming! Although this is a free forum, your unitentional comedy would be worth the price of admission if we had to pay here to post.
Boy do you claim James was at his best against Tiberi and Jones? James lost 40 pounds 6 weeks before the Jones fight you clown A blind man could see the difference in his body structure compared to his fight against Williams before. It was fair but James was not at his best idiot. Tiberi, nobody agrees with you so I am even going to address that.And Toney won that fight, you have to accept that reality.I could not care less whether you agree with the judges
And you are making excuses for the Jacobs and Canelo fights.Against the only two live bodies hé faced, GGG is 1-1-1.Toney is 3-1-0 !!! So there you have it stats man
