Joe Frazier vs these top heavyweights

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  1. Showstopper97

    Showstopper97 The Icon Full Member

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    How does 'Smokin' Joe Frazier fare against these top heavyweights throughout history.

    Frazier vs:
    Sullivan
    Corbett
    Fitzsimmons
    Jeffries
    Johnson
    Dempsey
    Tunney
    Carnera
    Schmeling
    Baer
    Braddock
    Louis
    Conn
    Charles
    Walcott
    Moore
    Marciano
    Patterson
    Johansson
    Williams
    Liston
    Ali (prime in the 60s)
    Foreman (FOTC Frazier)
    Norton
    Holmes
    Lyle
    Shavers
    Young
    Witherspoon
    Bruno
    Tyson
    Lewis
    Holyfield
    Old Foreman
    Bowe
    Morrison
    Moorer
    Mercer
    McCall
    Ruddock
    Tua
    Ike
    Wlad
    Vitali
    Golota
    Rahman
    Byrd
    Valuev ( I know he's not a top hw, but just interesting due to the size)
    Povetkin
    Fury
    Wilder
    Joshua
    Ruiz Jr
     
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  2. McGrain

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  3. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

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    He loses to Foreman, Lewis, Bowe, Liston, Wlad and maybe Bowe. Marciano has a good chance, so do Louis & Tyson. I'd pick him to beat those three though, and the rest.
     
  4. dmt

    dmt Hardest hitting hw ever Full Member

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    Frazier beats all pre Louis champions other than perhaps Dempsey. Dempsey-Frazier would be 50-50. Max Baer has a punchers chance but he doesn't have Foreman's left hand nor his physical strength to win here. Frazier wears Baer down.

    Frazier is too good at cutting the ring to lose to slick boxers like Tunney or Corbett.

    Frazier loses to Louis, is 50-50 vs Marciano. Frazier flattens Igno and Patterson, with Igno perhaps scoring a knockdown early.

    Walcott, Charles and Moore do not have the chins to take Frazier's best. I love Conn but he couldn't stay away from Frazier either, and gets stopped.

    Frazier will be outgunned vs Liston. Frazier actually does well vs any version of Ali. If anyone could cut the ring vs a peak Ali, its Joe. Ali is the favourite but if they fight 3 or 4 times, Frazier probably wins 1.

    Frazier always loses to Foreman, FOTC or not. Foreman will block Frazier's left hook, taking away Joe's only major weapon. Joe will not be able to stay away either.

    Frazier beats Norton in an exciting fight.

    Frazier also beats Holmes. Larry hated getting pressured and didn't take a body shot like Ali. Watch the Witherspoon fight to see how Larry reacts when hit to the body. Frazier brings much higher intensity to fighting. Frazier will cut the ring vs Holmes, wear him down to the body, and win a close but convincing decision. Bad stylistic match up for Holmes.
     
  5. BitPlayerVesti

    BitPlayerVesti Boxing Drunkie Full Member

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    Opie, I'm surprised you didn't also include:
    Jem Mace
    Paddy Ryan
    Charlie Mitchell
    Peter Jackson
    Bob Fitzsimmons
    Tom Sharkey
    Kid McCoy
    Tommy Burns
    Marvin Hart
    Sam Langford
    Sam McVey
    Joe Jeannette
    Gunboat Smith
    Harry Wills
    Jack Sharkey
    Young Stribling
    Primo Carnera
    Tiger Jack Fox
    Buddy Baer
    Elmer Ray
    Rex Layne
    Nino Valdes
    Eddie Machen
    Ingemar Johansson
    Cleveland Williams
    Mac Foster
    Leon Spinks
    Gerry Cooney
    Michael Spinks
    Buster Douglas
    Old George Foreman™
    Andrew Golota
    Shannon Briggs
    Michael Grant
    David Tua
    Ike Ibeabuchi
    Chris Byrd
    David Haye
    Andy Ruiz Jr
     
  6. Showstopper97

    Showstopper97 The Icon Full Member

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    I was gonna add some of them, but the list would be too long & it's already long. But I'll add Fitzsimmons, Carnera, Williams, Cooney, , Old Foreman, Mercer, McCall, Tua, Golota Byrd, Ruiz Jr. Some of the other ones I've never watched, people like the M Spinks, Haye aren't natural heavyweights & others are just plain bad.
     
  7. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    Of the 43 fighters listed I have the results as follows:

    Beats: 25
    Loses: 10
    Tossups: 8
     
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  8. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Obsessed with Boxing

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    Ali, Liston, Foreman, Dempsey, Lewis, Louis and Tyson all have an excellent chance. However, none of the aforementioned men would have an easy time. Hell, their's not a man who ever lived who would.
     
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  9. GOAT Primo Carnera

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    Carnera
    Baer
    C. Williams
    Cooney
    Briggs
    Tua
    Ibeabuchi
    Haye

    stop him.
     
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  10. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

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    Maybe Anthony Joshua
     
  11. William Walker

    William Walker Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Guys who would almost beat Frazier: Louis, Marciano
    Guys who are underdogs vs. Frazier, but could turn things their way with the right punch: Williams, Lyle, Tyson, Mercer, McCall
    Guys who would certainly beat Frazier; Foreman, Bowe
     
  12. Gazelle Punch

    Gazelle Punch Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Guys who beat Frazier
    Ali
    Louis
    Tyson
    Marciano
    Liston
    Lewis
    Foreman
    I’m sure out of Wlad, Fury, and AJ he losses to one of them. But not all.
     
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  13. robert ungurean

    robert ungurean Богдан Philadelphia Full Member

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  14. Devon

    Devon Boxing Addict Full Member

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    • 3 fight series
      Frazier vs:
    Sullivan W W W
    Corbett W W W
    Fitzsimmons W W W
    Jeffries W W W
    Johnson W W W
    Dempsey W W W
    Tunney L W W
    Carnera W W W
    Schmeling L W W
    Baer L W W
    Braddock W W W
    Louis L W L
    Conn W W W
    Charles W L W
    Walcott L W W
    Moore W W W
    Marciano L W L
    Patterson W W W
    Johansson W W W
    Williams W W W
    Liston L W N/A Liston early or Frazier late even contest
    Ali (prime in the 60s) L L L
    Foreman (FOTC Frazier) L L L
    Norton W D W
    Holmes W L W
    Lyle W W W
    Shavers W W W
    Young W W W
    Witherspoon W W W
    Bruno W W W
    Tyson L W L
    Lewis L L L
    Holyfield W L D
    Old Foreman L L L
    Bowe L L L
    Morrison W W W
    Moorer L W W
    Mercer L W W
    McCall W W W
    Ruddock W W W
    Tua W L W
    Ike L L L
    Wlad L L L
    Vitali L L L
    Golota W W W
    Rahman W W W
    Byrd L W W
    Valuev ( I know he's not a top hw, but just interesting due to the size) W W W
    Povetkin W W W
    Fury L L L
    Wilder W W W
    Joshua W L L
    Ruiz Jr L W W