the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread.

I'm by no means a Chang expert - of his fights the ones I've seen so far are:
Hilario Zapata 1 and 2
Sot Chitalada 1
Tokashiki
Ohashi 2

I'm not a huge fan of him by any means and I scored the first Chitalada fight as a draw and said in my summary that I was more impressed with Chitalada's performance than Chang's.

When I joined the forum, it was a real surprise to me that there were die hard Chang fans and that people recognized him as the no. 1 light flyweight in history. That doesn't mean I strongly disagree with it, just that I don't think it's a clear cut thing - but, like I say, I'm by no means an expert. I will try and watch some more of his fights though so I can personally appraise him better.

 

How’d you see the first Zapata fight?

 

Well, like @scartissue mentioned, round 3 was missing and it was a really close fight with lots of debatable rounds but I had Chang one point up at the end. A draw or a Zapata win are both reasonable from what I saw.

 

Right on. I’ve never seen it as a robbery. It’s a fight I’ve watched multiple times which, depending on the day, I’ve seen as a close win/loss for both. Similar to Canzoneri/Chocolate or even Leonard/Hagler in that regard.

 

I recall seeing a post you made a while back where you’d scored it to Zapata by a point.

For whatever reason, the post I quoted isn’t showing up. That was directed at George.

 

Yeah, it's coz my post is just two quotes. I did have it for Zapata a while back but I can't find that card. When I rescored it I had for Chang, as you can see.

I tend to think that this was a close fight, which could have gone either, but should have gone Chang's way more times than not. I do love Zapata though, and can tell you do from the name lol.

I was actually planning on scoring the Laciar and Bassa fights when I get home from college.

 

It’s been years and years since I watched it, as it was a pretty lackluster affair, but I recall scoring the Laciar fight to Zapata by at least 3 points. With the strong impression that he could’ve won even more handily had he just exerted himself more.

Again, it’s been quite a while, but as I saw it Laciar had no business even making the fight close. The size and style disparity completely favored Zapata. So much so that I saw it as a subpar performance from him despite Laciar’s class as an opponent or the fact that I had Zapata winning relatively clearly on points.

****, it’s probably time for me to rewatch it, too.

 

I started to watch it, but honestly, I packed it in after four rounds. Looks like a pretty poor fight and with quality footage like that, I'm just gonna leave it and take your word on it. Definitely up for the Bassa fights though. Never seen them ones before, the style clash rounds brilliant.

 

Thanks, George.

 

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Really fun fight, wish I'd seen it earlier, actually.

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10 : 9*
9 : 10
9 : 10
10 : 9
9 : 10 (47/48)
10 : 9
10 : 9
9 : 10
9 : 10
10 : 9 (95/95)
10 : 9
10 : 9
10 : 9
10 : 9
10 : 9 (

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Spoiler: Round by Round

Nothing in the first, feeler out round.

Awesome second, Bassa looked to be having a bit more of an affect when he landed. Could be Zapata rubbernecking TBF, but he wasn't helping himself.

Bassa working more in the third.

Insane defence from Bujia in the fourth. I liked his lead too; very versatile.

Bassa shifting forward with his lead-right, then hooking to the body, landing with that. His tidy pressure is really fun to watch, and his slipping of Zapata's long uppercuts is setting up his wheelbarrow right. Zapata hooking off the jab; neglecting his left.

Fast start from Bassa after he knocks Zapata off balance. Zapata slips most, and ends up back in control.

Still in control here, Zapata jabbing and shutting Bassa's offence. Good round from Bujia.

Had to break here, something came up.

R8: wtf

R9: Extremely close, Bassa aggressive and landing slightly more.

R10: Another close one. Bassa movinh forward and landing little, Zapata moving backward and throwing little. Difference being that Zapata's defence was ****ing insane.

Excellent timing on Zapata's 1-2 here. Bassa's head-movement was very predictable compared to Bujia's. Both men throwing, but only one landing with regularity.

Bassa still coming forward and throwing lead rights, but jabbing often. Zapata stuttering his shots, countering with his jab, feinting brilliantly but most importantly; he's moving. Moving way too much for Bassa to land.

Bujia more aggressive now, he's standing in the pocket for longer stretches, and so Bassa's getting a few extra shots in. But tbh, Zapata's still totally in control, he's wiring Fidel up with shots and he can't miss. It's his fight and has been for a while.

Slower round, Zapata still in control.

Not enough passion from Bassa in the finale. You'd have thought he'd come out blazing, knowing he's down, but nah. He lulled his way throught it and saw the end, where he lost 10-5 on the GC card.

Very good fight, but pretty one sided late IMO. Zapata had him figured out after 10, and swept the final five on my card. None of them were particularly close, either. So now I'm interested in hearing opinions from those who can see a draw here, coz I'd consider this wide enough to be called a robbery.

I do love some of the moves Zapata does. He can look so damn good at times; like a Sweet Pea/Laguna hybrid. That little weight shift on his feet, pause then rapid movement in a completely different direction just made Bassa look foolish. I also like how he shifts his weight when punching, it makes his feints really believable and I saw some brilliant one-handed combinations. In round five, he feinted a jab, actually jabbed, threw a double lead hook and then a lead uppercut. All landing.

Mental.

Bassa was pretty damn impressive too, TBF. He was super dexterous on his toes and came straight in with some nasty rights and set up his hooks to the body well. Just not well enough as it happens. He just wasn't varied enough IMO.

 

Matthew Saad Muhammad v John Conteh 1

I rewatched this after finding a complete version (the previous one I watched had 3 rounds missing). I didn't rescore everything, just the rounds I missed and I think that made a big difference to my perception of the fight from before. I had this 7-6 Saad going into the 14th and it was clearly nip and tuck all the way. The commentator was clearlyva bit of a Conteh fan and managed to still have him in the lead after the 14th, which I find hard to understand.

Without the knockdowns it would have been close - very close, although I think Saad would probably have still shaded it, probably on a split. But in a fight like this, the knockdowns really matter. It was a bit like Winstone-Saldivar 2 in that way. Conteh undoubtedly showed some nice moves and slick counters but Saad outworked him in my view and the knockdowns sealed Conteh's fate.

1 10-9
2 10-9 (close)
3 9-10
4 10-9 (Conteh showed some nice defense but needs to up his workrate)
5 10-9
6 9-10 (big round for Conteh - landing overhand rights that seemed to stun Saad and also cut him)
7 9-10
8 10-9 (close)
9 9-10
10 10-9
11 10-9
12 9-10
13 9-10
14 10-7 (big round for Saad - 2 knockdowns and Conte does well to survive)
15 10-9
Saad Muhammad 144-139 Conteh

 

Jel, here is my card and what I wrote when I saw it.

Saad Muhammad - John Conteh I

I was a huge Conteh fan back in the day and may have leaned a little towards him back then. Watching it now more impartial I can say that although John's defense was brilliant, he relied too heavily on it and needed to be busier offensively. There were times that were screaming out for a Conteh counter when he seemed to be more content with ducking away and resuming jabbing. Anyways here we go. 10 point must system.

Round 1: 10-9 Saad
Round 2: 10-10 Even
Round 3: 10-10 Even
Round 4: 10-9 Saad
Round 5: 10-9 Saad
Round 6: 10-9 Conteh
Round 7: 10-9 Conteh
Round 8: 10-9 Conteh
Round 9: 10-9 Saad
Round 10: 10-9 Saad
Round 11: 10-9 Conteh
Round 12: 10-9 Conteh
Round 13: 10-10 Even
Round 14: 10-7 Saad (2 knockdowns)
Round 15: 10-9 Saad

145-141 Saad Muhammad

Of course, the fan in me will always say that the Conteh from '74 would have taken Saad. But regardless, two great warriors.

 

I was also a big fan of Curtis Parker. Here is his bout with Michael Olajide. I should mention that Parker had been off 7 months before this fight which was unusual for him and it showed. A lot of ring rust and blowing hard after a few rounds. A more active Parker would have taken Olajide IMO. But here we go. NJ rules of a round basis.

Round 1: Parker
Round 2: Olajide
Round 3: Even
Round 4: Even
Round 5: Olajide
Round 6: Parker
Round 7: Olajide
Round 8: Olajide
Round 9: Olajide
Round 10: Olajide

Total: 6-2-2 Olajide (actual scores: 6-3-1 Parker and 2 scores of 6-3-1 and 7-3 for Olajide)

It was officially a split decision for Olajide, which I think was way too kind for Parker. But a lot of close rounds so it depends on what you're looking for.