Top 50 Lightweights of All-Time.... (help me)

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  1. Jel

    Jel Obsessive list maker Full Member

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    Exactly this - it paints an incomplete picture of the division's history if you exclude fighters who were demonstrably great there. It becomes "the 50 greatest fighters (apart from some of the greatest fighters who also fought there)".

    It's your list @George Crowcroft, but I do suggest you at least consider revising that parameter.
     
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  2. Johnny_B

    Johnny_B Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    Duran is clearly better than Gans and Leonard. Whitaker is also a lot better.
    And where's FMJ ?
     
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  3. Jel

    Jel Obsessive list maker Full Member

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    This is not H2H so no, Duran is not clearly better/greater than Gans and Leonard. He might be... but it is not clear.

    But anyway, the top 3 fighters are pretty clear whatever the order and it's more about 16-50 in the list than 1-15.
     
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  4. ron davis

    ron davis Well-Known Member Full Member

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    ron davis Well-Known Member Full Member

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  6. BitPlayerVesti

    BitPlayerVesti Boxing Drunkie Full Member

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    Thanks @ron davis very good points you made there
     
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  7. Bujia

    Bujia Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Charley White, Richie Mitchell, Harlem Tommy Murphy, Joe Mandot, and Joe Shugrue are others to consider. Jesus, Lightweight is deep.
     
    Bujia, Oct 23, 2020
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  8. Johnny_B

    Johnny_B Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    H2H is all I care about. And Duran would have beaten them both.
     
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  9. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

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    H2H isn't what I care about at all for this list. And it's my list.
     
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  10. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

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    How I have a few things so far....

    Ken Buchanan > Estaban DeJesus > Guts Ishimatsu

    Rocky Kansas > Lew Tendler > Charley White > Willie Ritchie

    Jack Kid Berg > Billy Petrolle > Wesley Ramey > Ray Miller > Jack Blackburn

    Floyd Mayweather Jr. > Jose Luis Castillo > Stevie Johnston

    Alexis Arguello > Julio Cesar Chavez > Hector Camacho > Jose Luis Ramirez > Edwin Rosario

    George Lavigne > Jack McAulife > Frank Erne > Young Griffo > Elbows McFadden

    Dave Holly
    Battling Nelson
    Jimmy Carter
    Jimmy Duffy
    Carlos Teo Cruz
    Young Griffo
    Lew Jenkins
    Ad Wolgast
    Sid Terris
    Sam Fuller
    Harlem Tommy Murphy
    Joe Mando
    Joe Shugrue

    Juan Manuel Marquez
    Terence Crawford
    Shane Mosley

    Owen Moran
    Johnny Kilbane
    Terry McGovern
    Johnny Dundee
     
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  11. JohnThomas1

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    Some obviously haven't read the criteria.
     
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  12. Jel

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    Unless I missed him, Mando Ramos is worth a place in your long list.
     
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  13. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

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    Here was my first draft.

    #50. Ray Miller
    #49. Sammy Fuller
    #48. Joe Mando
    #47. Edwin Rosario
    #46. Jose Luis Castillo
    #45. Elbows McFadden
    #44. Charley White
    #43. Jose Luis Ramirez
    #42. Billy Petrolle
    #41. Hector Camacho
    #40. Dave Holly
    #39. Alexis Arguello
    #38. Wesley Ramey
    #37. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
    #36. Julio Cesar Chavez
    #35. Richie Mitchell
    #34. Jack Kid Berg
    #33. Willie Ritchie
    #32. Frank Erne
    #31. Jack McAuliffe
    #30. George Lavigne
    #29. Jimmy Carter
    #28. Lockport Jimmy Duffy
    #27. Guts Ishimatsu
    #26. Joe Shrugue
    #25. Esteban DeJesus
    #24. Lew Tendler
    #23. Ken Buchanan
    #22. Rocky Kansas
    #21. Barney Ross
    #20. Jimmy Britt
    #19. Johnny Dundee
    #18. Ismael Laguna
    #17. Sammy Mandell
    #16. Bob Montgomery

    #15. Joe Brown
    #14. Willie Joyce
    #13. Sammy Angott
    #12. Beau Jack
    #11. Lou Ambers
    #10. Pernell Whitaker
    #09. Henry Armstrong
    #08. Freddie Welsh
    #07. Tony Canzoneri
    #06. Ike Williams
    #05. Carlos Ortiz
    #04. Packey McFarland
    #03. Roberto Duran
    #02. Joe Gans
    #01. Benny Leonard

    GOAT: Anthony Crolla
     
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  14. McGrain

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    Elbows is too low chum.
     
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  15. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    > scans list (the shuffle of 35 names worthy of a top 50 but not a top 15, and otherwise sort of fluid and interchangeable) <

    > is relieved to see the name of SSM, and nods approvingly in Young George's direction <


    He's a tricky one at LW - put him too high and some will shout that you're doing a disservice to guys that by sheer dint of having spent longer than a cup of coffee there, accomplished far more. Put him too low, however, and you're denying what a h2h beast he was (IMO that was his peak weight, as far as phenomenal destructive ability).
     
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