Lomachenko Lopez..round 2

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  1. Quina74

    Quina74 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Lomas cleaner landed punches and defense trumps any ill conceived notion of effective aggression from Lopez. He's a 140lb+ whereas Loma is a natural 126, 130lb, he'd be silly to not be on the back foot. You're giving Lopez points for simply being bigger, heavier handed and following him around the ring without actually effectively cutting off the ring. Youre reaching bro, sorry.

    And also, how is it debatable that Loma did not land the cleaner punches this round. He quite clearly did and my timestamps show this, you appear to have not even watched the exchanges timestamped and landed punches or even read my points. There's no point debating with you if you aren't even going to address the landed punches and simply stand on half broken leg basis of Lopez walking forward, not cutting off the ring and not landing.
     
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  2. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    Loma lost man let it go. All this crying and excuse making won't change that. Hopefully he can learn from it and come back and avenge the loss.
     
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  3. lobk

    lobk Original ESB Member Full Member

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    Round 2 was a close rnd and can be argued it went to Loma. Regardless he lost the fight. Even if he got rnd 2. The only crazzy score that could go to Loma was a draw but that would have been a robbery to Lopez.
     
  4. Forza

    Forza Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    lopez was punching arms and elbows and bradley was like mmmm mmm mmmm
     
  5. Quina74

    Quina74 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Ahhahahha brooo I was gonna say literally... Every shot.. Mmmmmm.. Mmmhm.. Think he may have someone's balls in his mouth.. Most likely Lopez's
     
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  6. Dance84

    Dance84 Unicorn and seastar land Full Member

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    lol
     
  7. Lesion of Doom

    Lesion of Doom Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You don't score rounds based on a handicap. This is another one of your novel scoring criteria that you need to abandon if you want to be taken seriously as a scorer. I disagree with people all the time, but you keep introducing variables that have no boxing precedent and frankly are illogical.

    If you prefer Loma that round because you like his crisp shots better, then okay. Watching it live I had it asterisked. But Loma did zilch for two minutes while his opponent stalked him, and taking the action out of the fight is a big negative for me in scoring. Presumption goes against the guy being negative, and Loma failed to overcome the presumption. He got outworked, hit with a few shots (neither was very effective, as mentioned) and spent most of the round on his bike. On rewatch, I think it's a clearer round for Lopez now than I did at the time.

    None of this ultimately matters. It will not be remembered as a controversial bout. But you suffer from some fundamental deficiencies as a scorer that you need to get cleaned up.
     
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  8. MidniteProwler

    MidniteProwler Fab 4. Mayor of Aussie Boxing Full Member

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    Loma clearly won round 2 IMO
     
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  9. Pakkuman

    Pakkuman I'm not hot. I'm just BIG. banned Full Member

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    The dude literally laid out exactly why Lomachenko won the round... complete w/ video. Also, please address my MLB example.
     
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  10. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    There are varying degrees of injury. Some pitchers pitch with pain and discomfort for many games before they get surgery some only require rest. Justin Verlander did that this year for my astros before needing Tommy john surgery. Boxers are no different it varries. They give these pitchers treatment and pain medication so they can continue. With that said no excuses.
     
  11. Pakkuman

    Pakkuman I'm not hot. I'm just BIG. banned Full Member

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    My point remains, you can't say that Pac raising both arms is a confirmation of a non-injury.
     
  12. Sheikh

    Sheikh Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I gave it to Lopez. I agree neither guy really did anything that round but Loma backed up way too much. You can lose the round on ring generalship and thats what happened. Loma also threw far fewer punches as well. It would be different if his punch output was around the same as Lopez.
     
  13. sasto

    sasto Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You proved that if this was the Olympics, Loma would have outscored Lopez in this round. In prizefighting imperfect punches should not be entirely discounted in a round with relatively few clean and hard punches.

    Defense accomplished by moving completely out of range is not really scoring defense in my subjective judgment. Defense that wins rounds leaves you at least able to immediately counter. Loma is a master of that, I have no idea where it went for 6 rounds.

    In the end though, in a round without much accomplished, it goes to the aggressor. Punch stats are interesting but don't determine the winner on their own.

    By the way I think Loma thought he won this round which is why there wasn't much urgency until too late (on my 7-5 score card, the ring walk was already too late for him to win on Lederman's card).
     
  14. Somali Sanil

    Somali Sanil Wild Buffalo Man banned Full Member

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    Bye Boon, see you soon.
     
  15. Quina74

    Quina74 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Dude you're reaching and you're assuming im scoring on handicap which I'm not. I'M not giving points to Loma for being smaller and on the back foot just as I'm not giving points to Lopez coming forward throwing punches in the air and not cutting off the ring. If it was Loma throwing missed and blocked jabs on the back foot I wouldn't be scoring it to him either. You've said twice im scoring the fight on two variables (handicap and that bodyshots are lesser than headshots) which I'm not and I've have addressed. Yet you keep bringing them up and still can't address the actual better landed punches from Loma (which you think is debatable shows me you haven't watched the clips).

    Its honestly like you've played the video have put your fingers in your ears, closed your eyes and gone "lalalla Lopez is winning lalalla"

    You're criteria is totally reliant on effective aggression. As to which there was limited of and equally good defensive criteria met by Lomachenko. You've sidelined cleaner punching. He did not get out worked jesus christ. And yes it's not controversial for the masses who don't know how to score fights but many had scored round 2 for Lomachenko for a reason, because he won it.

    Its ironic and quite cringey that you're telling me I have some deficiencies in my scoring when its quite clearly the other way round