Particulars: 12 rounds. Ten-point must scoring for the rounds, 20x20 ring. Assume both fighters are in their primes. This would be an interesting fight. In my opinion, Toney would have to be the aggressor as Hopkins defense, superior range height, and jab would better Toney in the middle of the ring rather easily. Hopkins was not the type to corner without paying for it, as he had a counter of his own, plus some dirty tactics if needed up close. The chance for a stoppage either way would be slim. I see it, Hopkins via UD by 4-5 rounds. Vote in the poll or even better pick the winner with observations and reasoning here. PS: Had this fight happened, I would be rooting for James Toney.
Toney by competitive, but clear UD. Toney was more proven, more technically sound with more speed & versatility. I'd also say he had a harder punch, but not by much.
Toney fan boys would. Care to give us some details as to why you think Toney would win? Its a pretty easy case for Hopkins, but I'll hold back on what I will be saying until later.
You have no details, of facts to back up your pick. I on the other hand have some. Disagree, then produce them. I don't think a pick for Toney is unreasonable, but I do think he was better overall. I highly doubt this will be an 80 page thread. My guess is most here are fans of both, not one or the other. This is a good fantasy match up that never happened.
I pick Hopkins close decision. I prefer James, but I pick B-Hop here. Bad style match for Toney. B-Hop's better footwork and longer dimensions are big trouble for someone like Toney, who didn't like to lead. I also think Hopkins would see similar to Jones, and know that Toney tries to draw the right hand coz it's easier to slip and counter. If Hopkins just sits back, uses his left and let's James go on offence, then it's likely easy pickings. Toney is easily at his worst vs guys who he had to chase. Guys like Nunn and Reggie. I'm also confident that Hopkins has a high enough workrate to match Toney late. Hopkins is also just the better fighter IMO. I have him equal with Monzon and Hagler; H2H & at MW, while slightly higher P4P. B-Hop UD12. Now Mendoza will acuse me of, as I pick both over GGG, yet have stated multiple times that I prefer GGG to Toney, and Toney to Hopkins.
I agree with your pick of Hopkins over GGG. I argue with your analysis that Toney didn't like to lead, so what can't GGG who had a really good jab do the same to Toney, and back it up with better firepower than Hopkins can dream of? I still think this a good match up. Too bad it never happened.
There's multitude of reasons why, but the predominant one is that GGG doesn't fight like that, and when he did, he wasn't as good at it as Hopkins was.
While I think both these guys are way overblown by their respective fanclubs, Hopkins was the guy that stamped his authority on 160. Toney squeezed through his matches through some ridiculously lucky - if not outright corrupt - judging decisions. Hopkins also seems like the more organised and methodical fighter and I think Toney's occasional flashes of brilliance will not be enough to see him win against Hopkins. Bar some ridiculous judging decision, Hopkins beats him comfortably.
This is an interesting thread. I like it. The polling is close, and so far the comments on why a person is making a pick are also good. If I wanted to pan Toney ( I would root from him over Hopkins ) I'd do a full break down on his fight with Roy Jones. Your pick here McGrain is?
That's exactly right. I do not like Hopkins, but like you said he was winner in many title defenses @ 160, didn't have judges bail him out, or performance that his fans need to excuse. He was the older fighter fighting younger guys. Hopkins to me has the styles match up here, and the higher boxing IQ. Bernard was a very smart fighter, tough fighter. I find him work as a commentator to be spot on.