Is Ali the No.1 h2h Heavyweight?

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Ali No.1?

  1. Yes

    66.2%
  2. No

    33.8%
  1. JohnThomas1

    JohnThomas1 VIP Member

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    To be fair it wasn't peak Ali and in no way would it be the version put forth in a H2H Greatest thread.

    The version of Lewis that was stopped by McCall is in the same boat.
     
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  2. catchwtboxing

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    Fair enough about Ali, but as for Lewis, he was up at four. It was a Don King stoppage.
     
  3. BrutalForeman

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    Prime Liston is a H2H Monster
     
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    The point would be the reverse criticism could be made e.g. Lewis getting dropped hard by McCall etc etc. I think you would agree this wasn't peak Lewis nor the version one would pitch into battle in an all time heavyweight tournament.

    They all have their micro moments particularly outside their peak and indeed in some case during their peak.
     
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  5. C.J.

    C.J. Boxings Living Legend revered & respected by all Full Member

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    Your "fact"s are in fact fiction. The only infraction was the smelling salts .There were merely a few seconds extra time
    added
     
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    catchwtboxing Loyal Member

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    I understood your point. Thanks.
     
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  7. catchwtboxing

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    No, all three were infraction. Angelo Dundee personally admitted to splitting the glove to buy time so that is FACTUALLY and infraction.

    I have seen the footage that goes around here that allegedly shows six extra seconds. That would be a serious infraction. However, such footage means nothing at all in the digital age when such things can be doctored ins seconds. Dundee, Cooper, and the time keeper all say it was more like 40 seconds.

    but six seconds of extra time would be serious.
     
  8. C.J.

    C.J. Boxings Living Legend revered & respected by all Full Member

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    Angelo NEVER split the glove He'd noticed a seam was splitting earlier on Ali's glove. When the KD happened he poked his finger in it & then called the ref. He told us this at Canastota. The fight continued using same gloves
     
  9. catchwtboxing

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    He admitted he did. I have the book on my shelf. This is a fantasy.
     
  10. Brockton Rock

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    No, Marciano is
     
  11. BlackCloud

    BlackCloud I detest the daily heavyweight threads Full Member

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    This is a fantastic point. In all fairness Ali in his first stint was relatively untested if we’re to see him as some kind of unbeatable H2H monster.
     
  13. NickChristo

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    I'd go with Lewis #1, too much size and skill for the smaller heavies like Ali, Fury is probably up there now as well.
     
  14. Flash24

    Flash24 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Any fighter showboating can be put on their ass, yes even against Henry Cooper who was a
    seasoned successful professional heavyweight with a very good left hook. Coopers issue never was his punching power, it was his overall skill set. He hit plenty hard enough.
    No one asked you to "Re-litigate" it all night. But if you took time to write a comment,
    be prepared for a response. If you don't want a response, don't write a comment. That
    simple.
    Obviously your reaching for stuff, throwing it against the wall hoping it sticks.
    Reasonable responses to your comments you obviously don't want to hear
    because it doesn't fit with your agenda. So, in retrospect, it's a waste of
    my time pointing out your fixation with a maybe milli- second lapses in
    Ali's judgment which he paid for by being put on his ass, that somehow
    that milli-second in your opinion encompasses the entirety of his 20 year pro career.
    Good luck with that litigation.......... Your going to need it.
     
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  15. Flash24

    Flash24 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yet he was knocked out twice in the prime of his career by heavywieights
    at the most 15lbs heavier than Ali, and not nearly as skilled or physically
    gifted.
     
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