Name the fighters that never impressed you on film, despite being considered very good/great

Joe Gans.

It hurts me to say that. He looks a little skittish in the ring. He leans on his back foot the same way the Jack Johnson did.

He could handle pressure and it must have suicidal to try and box with him but still, I don’t see the Ol’ Master.

With that said, his record is phenomenal and with his power speed and skill, if he could have fought in an era that didn’t permit straight up mauling you might wonder if he would have lost once.

Perhaps he was the Mayweather if his day with Robinson like power...but just in the right with wild men and horrible rules.

 

Ketchel. My favorite old timer but he looks like **** on film.

 

Luis Rodriguez...with all that bouncing up and down

 

Alexis Arguello was a great champion ....but he sure got hit a lot

 

He was even worse than that before Freddie Roach got a hold of him

 

hmmm... that's interesting, I'd never heard of that b4.

 

I don't like watching him much, but he was in so many awesome fights.

 

I think that I watch differently than many of you. When you are watching a guy and his style is crude or otherwise unappealing visually and you underestimate him because of it, you often end up losing to him. You have to get a grasp on what he is trying to accomplish with his way of fighting and, if he has been successful, why he is effective.

 

Riddick Bowe
Vitali Klistscko

 

Each to their own.

 

There’s a little more method to it than you think if you watch other Brendan Ingle fighters. Ingle had strange footwork diagrams on the floor of his gym to teach his style IIRC, so he had a method.

As someone once said, Ingle’s fighters even walked backwards going to the gym.

Roy Jr, having seen some of his father’s pupils in the amateurs, also had more rudiments than most realize, although RJJ certainly evolved as a pro, but there’s still some shades of it that you can see later in his career.

We fought against some Roy Sr fighters (and beat some of them) in the amateurs and if you knew the style you had a lot better chance — a lot of it was based on how they leaned to either side when an opponent jabbed ... everything was off their opponent’s jabs. What we would do was tell our guy to never jab but feint it a lot and then fire the power hand to either side and run them into it — and then finish with the jab, which really threw them off. Roy Sr had an undefeated heavyweight everyone was buzzing about and I had a country-tough, raw southpaw and my guy rammed that jab in his face to finish every combination and they never adjusted.

 

Felix Trinidad - Always felt he was a limited fighter with power, nothing else. Even felt that his power was overrated imo. Nothing about him impressed me or stood out.

Marvin Hagler - (Yep, I went there). He was a good, solid fighter all-round, but again nothing about him stood out. He had no special, outstanding qualities. He also feasted on quite a number of smaller fighters on his resume - some of which happen to be his best wins.

 

Agree, funny that they are prob in most peoples top 5 MW of all time !

 

Ketchel
J. Johnson
Carpentier
Baer
Marciano
LaMotta
FMJ
Monzon ( I still have him no 1 @ MW)
Fury
Joshua
Mikey Garcia
Breland

 

You routinely overstate his punching power, which was below average at best.