Usyk is a great fighter but not a great heavyweight

Horrible fight, #1 fan of Wilder, but I really don't want an Elite Cruiser to get humiliated.

You see most of Wilder doubters don't appreciate height/reach role in boxing, Tyson Fury was floored and barely survived because he had the frame to outbox and outrange Deontay Wilder. Not because Fury was (an excellent boxer), like Wilder Fury had a physical gift being a Giant that can box.

Usyk or Calderon are amazing boxers, but they will be violated by the range of Deontay Wilder (both speed and range) in Usyk case, one Right hand will make it through and his CNS will be shut.

Usyk looks at Joshua and he thinks he can chin him ala Andy Ruiz a man of Usyk Frame, in theory its possible, but Joshua will be the favorite (although we have no evidence that Usyk can't outbox a bigger framed heavyweight). If Usyk needs the money then it might be the right choice, for legacy he can fight Ruiz and Povetkin then go back to Cruiser

 

Shut up, Commie.

 

Wilder would not hit him. Usyk has a great chin even at HW.

 

Chisora is a fat old plodding gatekeeper at best, with a short reach.
If you're claiming he didn't land any scoring punches, you're wrong. But regardless of that, Usyk was underwhelming.
Based on that performance, it would be generous to regard Usyk as anything more than a borderline top 10 HW.

 

i didnt like seeing usyk land a clean 3 punch combo on chrisoras face and the guy barely rocked back, not a good sign for his punching power. And his speed advantage wasn't even that great, chrisora caught him a few times with that sneaky switch to south paw right hand jab lead thing he does. I had the fight 8 - 4 usyk, but I don't see him being competitive with the top guys at HW.

 

I think this is the problem, some people change their scoring criteria to suit who they want to win, there is no consistency to their scoring.

They even do it during a fight, if their fighter is getting hit hard but their man is landing a few more then it's "volume", then their fighter is being outworked but lands a couple of solid shots they score for "the harder cleaner shots".. it's actually shameless.

Chisora was swinging, winging and spinning, sure he caught Usyk with punches, but like you say.. they were hitting arms, shoulders, kneecaps.. he got through with a few but nothing major and not often enough.

Usyk was chipping away, chipping away, popping smart little scoring shots... and was getting ZERO credit by the commentators, maybe that's the problem, if a commentator doesn't mention those punches then some people think they don't count? Or they can just ignore them?

I don't know, but I suggest some people watch it again, sound off and count the actual scoring punches, the clean scoring punches.

I simply can't accept people suggesting Chisora was worth a draw, he wasn't, he was beat, he was clearly outpointed.

 

Chisora landed several punches early on, and a few later on. Scoring punches. Pretty much whenever he pressed hard and let his hands go, something would get through and connect to some extent. He won a few rounds.
I don't care what the commentators say. Chisora punched Usyk in the head/face far too much for my liking. I expected more from Usyk.

No, Chisora didn't deserve a draw but he won at least 3 rounds, maybe 5.

Yes, Usyk was a clear winner. But considering his reputation, he was unimpressive.

 

Yeah sure, OK, Usyk got hit a few times, nobody said he went full matrix, he took the shots that landed very well, Usyk was never wobbled or buzzed in my opinion and went on to win well.

Chisora looked like he was there to be stopped a couple of times and that was the part that made me question a few things. No doubt we will find out why Usyk didn't press it at some point.


But, in my opinion, What has to be taken in to account is Usyk has been out for over a year, that surely played a part, Usyk works on timing, his timing is everything, that may have caused him some problems.

Same could be said for Chisora, he looked shattered, far more tired than he did against Whyte in both fights, he looked there for the taking.

 

Chisora looked fat and out of condition to me. All this talk lately of him being in great shape, but he looked too heavy. He's 36 years old too.

Usyk is good but there's no evidence that he's anything special at heavyweight.
Pulev and Kabayel beat Chisora 3 or 4 years ago.
Dillian Whyte knocked Chisora the **** out last time they fought. Haye bossed Chisora completely in 2014. Haye knocked him out back in 2012.

It's funny, some people on this board will say Whyte's a C-level fighter at best, and that Kabayel's a nobody, then pretend Usyk's did something of note last night.
Usyk's just one of those fighters, people will bend over backwards to hype up, until he loses.
Based on what I saw last night, Joshua (who I don't even rate) would have taken Usyk out early.

 

Not an argument of Usyk beating Chisora, but most of what he lands looks to me like amateur stuff — I just don’t give a lot of credit to ‘touching’ the other guy if it’s not a punch. This isn’t patty-cake or tag.

 

Maybe that lengthy inactivity for both fighters took something away from both of them, Usyks timing and Chisoras stamina.

I understand what you're saying about Chisora and him being beaten by other fighters and performing poorly in those fights and why everybody would get hyped about Usyks performance tonight.

It's a fair point, I think Usyk proved his class as an amateur, as a crusierweight and people expect him to do the same at heavyweight.

I am not suggesting for a moment it was some masterclass tonight, far from it, but there is a lot to like with Usyk, he is very clever and good at what he does, he wasn't regarded as a huge puncher at cruiserweight so I don't know why people are asking that question about his power now anyway.

I think it's really interesting to see if Usyk can bridge that gap, we have had Holyfield move up and do it, smaller heavyweight back then I know, but he still did it, Haye did it to a degree but he could really punch.

Wilder was 4lb lighter for the first Fury fight than Usyk was tonight but Wilder can seriously punch.

So I find it interesting to see if Usyk can find away, box his way, you know what I mean, skill over power and size.

Personally I think Usyk has a far better chance against AJ than Fury, I think he could give AJ problems, AJ isn't exactly blessed with great stamina and carrying that huge frame and muscle around, chasing Usyk could be dangerous for him, also although AJ is athletic but he isn't exactly great with his feet, Usyk could be hard to pin down. AJ struggled to pin Parker down.

But AJ's power is solid, not as great as some people think in my opinion but he punches harder than Chisora, Whyte and a few others but he isnt a one punch KO artist.

Fury on the other hand is a nightmare, he is far quicker than people think he is, is a bag or tricks and is much taller and heavier, I think that's a tough night for Usyk, Fury is a natural boxer but can fight also and dig in, tough night for everybody if he is on his game. But Fury does have off night and struggles, did with Wallin, so Usyk just needs to catch him on a slow night.

if I'm Usyk I'm pushing for the AJ fight now, forget Fury, go for AJ first.

 

Of course he isn't a great HW, he's only had two fights there.

But he's a legitimate world ranked HW and if he wins his title shot people might think he is a great HW then.

 

I like this take on things and was thinking of the Hunter fight.

Do you think that Usyk sometimes does what he has to do to get a win and is unconcerned about impressing people while doing it? He may not look overly formidable at times but he also doesn't look to be in trouble at any point. He knows he has stamina and rides out the early rounds and periodic onslaughts, waiting to relentlessly accumulate as time goes on. At the end of the day he came out of the Chisora fight with a points win he needs to maintain his WBO position.