How do you view Oleksander Usyk's performance at heavyweight so far?

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  1. Vegan Beast

    Vegan Beast Grandpappy Ortiz Full Member

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    I think at times he showed great evasion speed and boxing ability. I really liked the way he sometimes moved his way out of danger, but...

    I personally wasn't a fan of people immediately throwing Usyk's name up there with the likes of Joshua and Fury, I thought that no matter what you do at another weight, you need to prove yourself at this weight also, regardless of your previous achievements....

    And I still stand by this.

    Usyk looked VERY beatable vs Chisora. Sure, he was the clear victor, but he hardly dominated Chisora. This fight was an actual competition, and many of you expected Usyk to obliterate Chisora, but he didn't/. He was the definite winner in the end, but it wasn't that far apart. And I can tell that others agreed with me, even those hosting the show.

    Usyk's issue is he takes 3-4 rounds before he really starts to do his thing, and he can get away with that at Cruiserweight against the likes of bellew who haven't shown up to KO him, or against Chisora who hasn't got the quality to finish him.

    But I fear for him against the likes of AJ. I think if it was AJ he was fighting on saturday, he'd have gotten blown away inside of 3 rounds.

    He looked worried in the first couple of rounds when he was forced on the back foot and Chisora rag dolled him. If that was Joshua doing that, he'd have been smashed to pieces.

    Does anyone really think AJ/Fury watched that fight and at all thought they had anything to worry about? If Usyk wanted to send out a massive statement tonight, he failed. Chisora has lost 10 fights now, and Usyk was definitely not the man who beat him up the worst. He had to win far more comfortably than that to send the statement he wanted, in my opinion.
     
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  2. Vegan Beast

    Vegan Beast Grandpappy Ortiz Full Member

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    Initially I thought it was 9-3 Usyk, but it could have quite easily been 7-5. Some of those rounds could have gone either way, but I gave them to Usyk for showing the extra quality, but that's just my interpretation.
     
  3. Unforgiven

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    Chisora won at least 3 rounds, yes.

    Chisora is fat and slow to move.
    Chisora has slow hands.
    Chisora has slow feet.
    Chisora is shorter than Usyk.
    Chisora has shorter arms than Usyk.
    Chisora is almost 37 years old and has loads of miles on the clock.

    If Usyk is being sold and revered on the basis of his "mobility", "evasiveness", "speed" ...... let's see it against someone a bit taller, faster, longer reach, fresher.
    I'm 100% willing to buy. But I wanna see the goods first.
     
  4. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    AJ is far more cautious than Chisora and more fragile,
    Fury looked pretty open when he stormed in v Wilder that tactic will not work v Usyk.
     
  5. UniversalPart

    UniversalPart Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Styles make fights. A durable pressure fighter with a good chin will always make him look "bad".

    He would fare better against people with stamina issues and a more conventional style like AJ.
     
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  6. djfonti

    djfonti Well-Known Member Full Member

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    He's been average. If he didn't have his prior achievements to point to and enjoy all the hype that brings absolutely no one would be saying this guy is the heir apparent. They'd be saying there's a decent fighter there but that's about it, based on these last two fights solely.

    I agree with the OP, I'm one of the ones that never went crazy on him until I saw him at the weight. The jump from cruiser to heavy is like no other so until you've done something worthwhile all your potential is just that. Chisora was the perfect litmus test. To be able to say he was the real deal he had to really impress either by pitching a near shutout or by stopping him. All he did was get the job done.
    He is an elite level talent. Just not at this weight.
     
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  7. N17

    N17 Loyal Member Full Member

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    So, lets all calm down and let's just look at Chisoras results... now let's remember this is the BEST Chisora that's ever been according to Chisora himself, Haye, Hearn, Adam Smith, Tony Bellew and a lot of others

    Chisora..
    Went the distance with Vitali Klitschko
    Went the distance with Whyte (Lost SD)
    Went the distance with Pulev (Lost SD)
    Went the distance with an unbeaten Helenius (Lost SD)
    Went the distance with Fury
    Went the distance with Kabayel (Lost MD)


    So let's just all chill for a moment, this narrative that's being spun that Usyk should have blitzed Chisora is a nonsense, it's actually quite a clueless claim.

    Look at that list of fighters that were dragged the distance by Chisora. And like it's been said.. this is a much fitter and stronger version with far more experience.

    Usyk did just fine Saturday night, Chisora brings a different set of problems than most heavyweights, he has that bullying swarming style, that's what he does and Chisora can be a tough night for anybody if he is up for it and he was Saturday.

    Usyk buzzed him a few times, Haye said that himself, he didn't finish the job but he had enough pop to do what some of that list of fighters above couldn't do.

    So relax, let Usyk get his WBO title shot, let's see how an AJ handles him, it's not worse than Pulev who himself went the distance with Chisora.
     
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  8. AwardedSteak863

    AwardedSteak863 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I'm a huge fan of Uysk but the lack of size against these guys is clearly an issue for him. Some guys have been able to come up and weight and be successful like Michael Moorer but in Moorer's case he had incredible punching power to bail him out. Uysk is going to have rely on his speed and incredible footwork but at 33 years old, the clock is ticking.
     
  9. WhataRock

    WhataRock Loyal Member Full Member

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    Average and thats as good as he will get.
     
  10. Unforgiven

    Unforgiven VIP Member banned Full Member

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    No.
    If we're being generous, it's the same old Chisora.
    "Haye, Hearn, Adam Smith, Tony Bellew" are professional BS artists. I mean, normally I'd think you were being sarcastic if you cited them as testimony.

    Chisora went the distance with Fury in 2011, but was completely dominated and unable to go the distance in 2014 ..... and remember that Fury went into the Wlad fight a year later as a huge underdog, so even his domination of Chisora only got him so much credit at the time.

    Haye sparked Chisora out in 2012.
    Whyte sparked Chisora out in 2018, two years ago.

    Look, this Usyk fella is being sold and rated as something REALLY SPECIAL.
    He hasn't been sold to us as "a bit better than Agit Kabayel" or "as good as a post-Wlad version of Pulev".
    That's why expectations are higher.

    And, no, Chisora isn't the best he's ever been. That's a nice way to get a plodding gatekeeper into a PPV main event again though.
     
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  11. chico g

    chico g Let's watch some Sesame Street...lmao Full Member

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    Done well for his size. But it will only be a matter of time before he's trapped in the corner and given a good hiding. Shades of Adamek when he beat Arreola.
     
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  12. Vegan Beast

    Vegan Beast Grandpappy Ortiz Full Member

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    I'm quite relaxed. I'm simply stating I'm not that impressed by his performances so far at HW.

    I personally think him going after AJ this soon is a mistake.

    I never said anything about USYK needing a KO/TKO victory to make a statement.

    You can dominate an opponent without KOing him. Usyk could have won that fight far more comfortably, without knocking him out. I don't understand why you're bringing up his previous fights that have gone the distance as if it proves anything? It proves Chisora has a good chin, not that he's a good boxer.

    Like me and others have said. Nothing Usyk has shown so far at heavyweight should worry anyone like AJ.

    That fight could have been scored as close as 7-5, and if you're Usyk wanting to make the sort of statement he wants to make, then he failed to do it on saturday.
     
  13. deadACE

    deadACE Well-Known Member Full Member

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    There's no denying Usyk's ability. He did some lovely boxing against Chisora and there's no doubt he won the fight.

    Haye and Fury both beat Chisora more convincingly and a younger version too. Haye did it with power and Fury with his size. Thats where Usyk will struggle. Power and size.

    I can see him taking rounds off both AJ and Fury and maybe enough to win a decision, if he can take Aj power and overcome the size advantage.
     
  14. JacobEr

    JacobEr Member Full Member

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    The main problem he has no power to keep the big guys off of him. Big guys can literally trample him down. Even Chisora was constantly catching up and “wrestle” him in a clinch.
     
  15. Beremith

    Beremith Active Member Full Member

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    If you expected Usyk to blitz Chisora out with a one punch ko you've not been following the sport very closely. On my card he only lost the first two rounds with maybe two later swing rounds. Clear victory for Usyk. I'm not saying he beats Fury or AJ but styles make fights. They are different type of fights for Usyk. Someone like Andy Ruiz would be a 12 - 0 fight for him.
     
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