Just how good of a boxer was James Toney?

He saw the fight, I'm asking his opinion who won. I can watch a fight and tell who I get won without scoring it. He just can't admit the truth. Some of his cards are pretty bad. Toney 3 points over Peter? Holyfield over Lewis being pressure got to him and he called it a draw? Funny stuff. If you want to discuss Toney in these fights I mentioned from 160-168, I'm game. I don't think you in this thread for that.

Question for you McGrain. Do you think Toney vs Tiberi was a bad decision? You already said you felt Tiberi won it by two rounds though I think your scoring in round 4 was off.

 

Short answer Dolt,

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, Peter beat him, twice. Toney had a chance to fight Wlad but ran from it and a title shot, taking another fight for less money. When you actually have point, let me know,

I think Jirov is highly over rated. Always have. Who did Toney really beat at heavyweight? Not Peter, nor Rahman, nor Ruiz. The Oquendo fight was questionable. Oh right a 40 year old Holyfield, my bad.

On the Oquendo fight, some data for and others to say Hmmmm, bad decision

• Versus viewers had Oquendo winning in the scoring 115-113
• Versus blows report: Oquendo 222/740 30%, Toney 154/491 31%.
  
• Versus announcers had Oquendo winning 116-112.
  
• Most Boxing writers had Oquendo winning 116-112

But back to point, Toney is -16 on rounds won to rounds lost vs his best at 160-168. I do not think he's a class C middle, I think he was a very good one, just not great.

 

Blade is a runner of questions. He doesn't want to answer who he thinks won, but he sure can. He can't score a fight. We know this. I'm not asking for his card, just who he felt won it. Simple and easy.

Which fights have I not scored, tell me and you'll be wrong again. You don't know which fight I saw or scored.

My positions are correct, the fans boys just can't accept the facts I use.

WRONG, the media score cards I produce have GGG as the clear winner. Your just inflexible on those facts.

Do you want to produce all media cards of GGG vs Canelo 1 and count them up? I'm calling you. Let me know if your game since you brought it up. I predict you won't even go there as you know better. In other words I'm correct again. You'll be buried.

You also ducked out of scoring round 4 with me on Toney vs Tiberi, which I felt Tiberi won! I offered you and I review that round and, you went radio silent. Hmmmm/ The rest of your card with Tiberi winning by two points is fine. So I asked to score round 4 You said you are willing to talk about fights I scored. Where were you? What our sign once again is not accurate. You ran. So stop talking about debating me on what I saw. And if you want to score that one round, ( Round 4 Toney vs Tiberi ) lets do it.

I count two ducks here from you

1 ) You won't count up all media cards on GGG vs Canelo 1 and you are WRONG, there are way more GGG wins than Draws, and very few Canelo wins.

2 ) You have not agreed to score a round I have watched. I said I agree with your card except for round 4. Can we go over that one

PS: Learn how to count, I posted these media cards, there were more GGG as the winner than Draws.

To save you some time, its nearly 2-1 GGG as the winner over draws. By saying there are more draws, that's dishonest. Had you said there were draws than cards that had Canelo was the winner , you might have a point.


Media cards:

Harold Lederman (HBO Sports): 116-112 Golovkin

Brian Campbell (CBS sports): 116-112 Golovkin

Dan Rafael (ESPN): 114-114 draw

Salvador Rodríguez (ESPN Mexico): 114-114 draw

Gareth A Davies (The Telegraph): 116-112 Golovkin

Josh Peter (USA Today): 115-113 Golovkin

Dylan Hernandez (LA Times): 115-113 Golovkin

Lance Pugmire (La Times): 114-114 draw

Box Scene: 114-114 draw

Chris Mannix (Yahoo! Sports): 115-113 Golovkin

Kevin Iole (Yahoo! Sports): 114-114 draw

The Guardian: 116-112 Golovkin

Joe DePaolo (Washington Post): 115-113 Golovkin

Mike Coppinger (Ring Magazine): 114-114 draw

Sherdog: 116-112 Golovkin

Jai Bednall ([url]news.com.au[/url]): 115-113 Golovkin

Brian Mazique (Forbes): 114-114 draw

Adam Abramowitz (Ring Magazine and SN Boxing): 115-113 Golovkin


Tom Craze (Bad Left Hook): 116-112 Golovkin

Fraser Coffeen (Bloody Elbow): 115-113 Golovkin

The Associated Press: 114-114 draw

Bill Simmons (HBO and The Ringer): 114-114 draw

Steven Muehlhausen (Sporting News): 116-112 Golovkin

Michael Montero (MonteroOnBoxing): 115-113 Golovkin

Matt Christie (Boxing News): 115-114 Golovkin

George Willis (New York Post): 114-114 draw

Below The Belt Podcast: 115-113 Golovkin

World Boxing News: 115-113 Golovkin

Jeff Powell (Daily Mail): 116-113 Golovkin

 

FACTS fanboy. _________________ Insert your excuses!

Johnson compared to Toney was a clear fighter. He wasn't on ROIDS, nor did he threaten anyone with a gun. In addition Johnson's rounds won to round lost ratio is far better than Toneys in their primes. Bringing up different fighters in this thread won't save you.

 

Then why do you call it unlucky for Toney? Hilarious stuff. Close enough and draw are mentioned by you. Get you act together, Captain Straw man.

By the way that one judge giving Toney a 10-8 round to make him the winner on his card was suspect.

'My answers are smart, but I prefer to be factual. Try to accept reality.

 

"I firmly believe that with my style of fighting with the rock solid chin that I had that I would beat James ten out of ten times because I’m a rapid puncher. That’s my style, as a fighter, I won my fights that way. " - Dave Tiberi.

A good interview I did not know that Tiberi was only paid $30,000 for the fight, which he took on short notice.

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You're a dumb poster, a cry baby and not very good this. Until he next Hagler vs Leonard thread comes up.