Just how good of a boxer was James Toney?

C'mon, at least get my age right. I know you're wrong about a lot of things, but it's not that hard.

Okay, will do shortly. Might take awhile though.

Yes. I don't. That's right. He's much higher than GGG, though.

Why? Multiple people in this thread have agreed with me.

 

If you're critiquing close fights Toney won, and saying he deserved to lose, then you have to do the same with ones he lost, but deserved to win.

Name three times he was out-jabbed consistently. Toney wasn't a jabber, he was a counter-puncher, like you say. If you knew a thing or two about boxing, you'd know that it's common tactic to draw a jab to counter what comes behind it. Toney mastered this.

Translation: "I've got to Boxrec, looking for hate material, and what I've decided to do is read the scorecards under the results, and then use the ones which collectively suit my argument best!"

What the **** is the middle card supposed to mean? It is literally just you looking at Boxrec, rather than watching the fights.

Reggie was ranked for six years at 160 and another five at 175. How on earth is being ranked for ELEVEN years a 'brief period of time'.

If you actually watched the fight, you'd have seen that Reggie's style was awful for Toney, yet Toney switched from counter-puncher to pressure fighter and came on incredibly strong late to eek out a decision vs a man who was an awful style for him and incredibly elite (for those who've actually seen his fights; watched and scored his losses and aren't trying to drag Toney's name through the dirt, know this to be true).

Sorry, was it seven different men, or did you misread Boxrec again?

It's been explained in black and white why McCallum here was no less than slightly past his prime. What about the other two cards which had it 117-111 for Toney? Does the oneness of the legendary middle card out-weigh the other two judges who showed up without sight impediment?

'Easily out-jabbed him' is getting countered left, right and centre?

Yeah and what. Jones was a beast.

What this is is a strange salty man with the intellectual capacity of a twelve year old girl whining and bitching because of a fictional loss on a forum poll because her favourite fighter lost.

It's pathetic. That's what this is.

You haven't seen the Sosa fight either. He beat him clearly. Saying anything else is embarrassing. What happened to the middle card? The 115-112 one for Toney vs Tiberi...

For those who've watched these fights, it's no surprise. What's surprising is your complete lack of understanding of styles, workrates, consistency &c.

Nunn was a close split decision loss? I seem to remember one of them getting KTFO'd.

Sosa didn't. Nunn didn't. Johnson did, dunno why that didn't happen. Tiberi retired, never returned or gave him a chance to rematch.

LOL Nunn got ****ing obliterated and Tiberi retired, knowing he caught Toney on an off night. Who do you think would have won rematches?

Iran Barkley
Tim Littles
Doug DeWitt
Charles Williams

 

You are responsible for the decline.

You are completely incapable of debating.

It’s beyond you.

I’ll give you an example of what’s funny:

I don’t have any knowledge on the career of Ken Overlin, whereas you don’t have any knowledge on the career of Reggie Johnson, and you only saw the Toney-McCallum fights for the first time just one month ago.

You are a joke who has been nuked in multiple threads.

 

you just score every close fight against Toney and view any of his fights in the most unfavorable light.Not worth discussing with such a dishonest and un objective poster

 

GG is also susceptible to speed, he’s very easy to hit, and he has even shorter arms than Toney, with a 70” reach.

Yet it doesn’t stop you from telling us how easily he’d have beaten all Toney’s opponents, despite the fact that he’s never even fought guys who possessed the same attributes.

 

I understand the point perfectly.

Go and give Martin Murray or David Lemieux the best PEDS available.

Let them have more chemicals in them than Jarrell Miller.

Then send them up to HW and see what happens.

Toney beat guys on ring craft, not just PEDS.

Again, an unexceptional former MW would not be capable of even being competitive with world class CW’s and HW’s.

 

Reread my reply. Then you'll know precisely what was wrong. If that's too much for you, feel free to Google any foreign words (the one beginning with F means the ones you don't recognize )

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Regarding Johnson, you said these exact words in a pathetic attempt to belittle him, and by knock-on effect, Toney: "briefly ranked". I pointed out that Reggie Johnson was ranked for an entire ELEVEN YEARS. That's not 'brief'.

And there's a very simple reason why the Toney rematch didn't happen, it's just not one a bias spacker like you would even consider: it never made sense for Reggie.

After losing to Toney, Reggie fought twice in the following year; the first being a soft touch, the second being for a vacant title. It's simple management to go for the weakest title option to ensure you get the belt, then go for the better opponents. Toney rematched the actual blemish on his record (McCallum), and then moved up because he struggled to make weight. Reggie wasn't in a position to take the rematch, as he had other things on his plate and then so did Toney. Then the fight never aligned again, as the small window where it could have happened at light-heavy, Reggie took the much more lucrative Jones fight.

Reggie didn't take the rematch, because it didn't make sense. Don't try and spin it like Toney was scared. A former middleweight willing to face Sam Peter, is not scared of fighters.

You must hate it when people call you out on your ****. Especially considering how much of it there is.

If you can see this, then there's no excuse for the ridiculous claims you've made in this thread.

Thanks for the update. I suppose it was one for you less than a month ago.

Sounds like a certain Kazakh. Shane that his arms are shorter than Toney's, and he was slower.

I want examples. The word "often' does not suffice as such.

LOL you don't know the meaning of fair. You used the "middle card' because your knowledge of this era can be found in its entirety on James Toney's Boxrec.

Yes, because this one didn't suit your agenda.

No. I never saw it. I don't care for it either.

See? How hard was that? I can freely admit I haven't seen the fight.

You ****ing buffoon... it was Tiberi who turned the rematch down, a rematch which was ordered by the sanctioning bodies and wanted by Toney! https://www.*******.com/dave-tiberi-life-james-toney-fight-hopkins--18082

Of course you do

More proof that you know nothing about this era aside from what you have read on Boxrec.

Both parties wanted the Nunn-Toney remtach at 168, so when Toney moved up (as Nunn moved up just after losing), it was on the table. It was supposed to have happened, but then Nunn lost twice, and Toney lost to Jones. Another one which didn't make sense to happen, and this one didn't even need a rematch! Nunn was KTFO'd!

Maybe because Toney didn't make weight, right? Ever think of that one genuis? Keep in mind that if you're answer is a simple and uneducated as 'if you make weight, you make weight' then I'll remember that whenever you bring up Jacobs-GGG and Kovalev-Canelo.

There's literally no argument at all that Sosa and Tiberi were some of the best he fought at 160-168. That's just as disingenuous as saying that Tiozzo is one of McCallum's best opponents.

And where's the rest of your response? Y'know, regarding the other ranked fighters Toney took on and beat, without losing a round in the process? Or do they not fit your agenda?

 

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There’s some absolute gems in here:


“Your reply was liked by Ra's Al-Ghul”

“Briefly ranked” (11 years)

“It’s just not one a bias spacker like you would even consider...”


Ha!

Brilliant.