Just how good of a boxer was James Toney?

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  1. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

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    Damn have I actually beaten Mendoza into submission again?
     
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  3. Showstopper97

    Showstopper97 The Icon Full Member

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    What a pathetic thread. It seems the OP made it just to air his grievances towards Toney & hate on him. Weird.
     
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  4. THE BLADE 2

    THE BLADE 2 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    he took another ass whooping for that :lol::lol::lol:
     
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  5. dinovelvet

    dinovelvet Antifanboi Full Member

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    @Mendoza look at all the posters who think you're a laughing stock.. Its no wonder you fled this thread with your tail between your legs.
    -M :pipi
     
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  6. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. banned Full Member

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    Just fanboys Dino, like you self. You differ from most of them as you are a hater and say really silly things like Ndilsen has an equal resume to Vitlai Klitschko. And we see this on a weekly basis.
    :pipi

    What I see is a conceiving case made by me, and excuses by fanboys. Rejection of facts. When they get frustrated, I see personal attacks, with many avoiding my questions. At times there are double standards, and ,moving of the goal posts by you know who.
     
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  7. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. banned Full Member

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    Yes I put my score cards out there. Can you do the same? Who do you think won the first fight between GGG and Canelo?

    You can't even answer basic question in return because you score cards are either way biased, or you just can't score a fight. A reply from you exposes this yet again.
    Examples: Toney over Peter by 3 points, or Holyfield over Lewis.:D:pancarta:

    As for being fair I offered any Toney fan, including yourself score the Tiberi card out there as I will use it. Toney's currently down 16 rounds, you have the ability to change that! JUs let mer now who do you think won that one and by what margi.

    Now try for once to prove me wrong as I think you are the King Ducker and can't even wander a basis question. Who do you think won the first fight between GGG and Canelo? Well......
     
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  8. THE BLADE 2

    THE BLADE 2 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    you score and view everything against Toney. there is no sense in pursuing this discussion.
     
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  9. Loudon

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    I obviously just used Murray as an example. I wasn’t talking literally.

    Again, the whole point of my post was to highlight that Mendoza had exaggerated his opinion.

    Toney was an exceptional fighter.

    Unexceptional MW’s can not go up to CW and HW and find success, with or without PEDS.
     
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  10. McGrain

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    Where??

    I've asked to see scorecards for Peter-Toney I and Toney-Tiberi about 10 times.
     
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  11. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

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    Mendoza still ducking
     
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  12. THE BLADE 2

    THE BLADE 2 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I read the opening thread again.It is clear that this guy did not watch the Toney-Sosa fight as well.This guy constantly comments on or scores fights he never even saw
     
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  13. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. banned Full Member

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    And I told you, I like your card outside of round 4, and will score that round with you 10 times. We disagree on one round. Do you remember what you posted?!

    Blade has tucked tail and ran, unable to tell us who he thinks won between Tiberi and Toney despite seeing the fight! Hopefully he''l never post another scorecard here again. That will be an accomplishment. Blade claimed Toney beat by 3 points, your are confusing him with me.

    As for yourself you moving the bar on GGG vs Canelo 1 scorecards. I have about 80 media cards if you want to see them :)

    I think it clear Toney struggled vs the best he fought in a boing sense, barely edged or draw with the ranked or older, plus was upset.

    -16 in rounds won vs lost, vs the best 6 he fought at 160-168. Point proven using official data, and with me allowing any Toney fanboy to post their card in Tiberi vs Toney.

    Case shut.
     
    Mendoza, Nov 12, 2020
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  14. THE BLADE 2

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    Reading your opening post, it is clear that you never watched the Toney-Sosa fight. Your are a complete disgrace. Case shut.
     
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  15. McGrain

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    This is a produced scorecard:

    Joyi:1,2,3,5,6,7,12.
    Canoy:4,8,9,10,11.

    115-113 Joyi


    NOT "blah blah blah, same as you". The above is you PUTTING your name to the scorecard, making clear you have watched those rounds and scored them accordingly. When I say to you "produce a scorecard" that doesn't mean say "i like your card". The two things are NOT the same. Produce the scorecard.

    No, i'm not confusing you with anybody. I'm asking YOU for YOUR toney-Peter I card. For the sixth, seventh, tenth, who knows how many times? If you haven' scored the fight and don't have a scorecard, just say so. If you have, and do, produce it.

    Have you scored Peter-Toney I?

    This is a lie. I am flat out clear - no single card was scored more heavily than 114-114 for that fight in the "Media Cards" section of a post you produced about a month ago :lol:. But it absolutely doesn't matter any more; what i'm asking you now is this - if 114-114 is so unreasonable, why was 114-114 so prevalent in media scoring? And you won't answer.
    :lol: the only person on this forum who cares about this nonsense is you - just you. Nobody else cares about rounds won v lost versus your opinion of the best they fought. It's a statistic with no meaning to 99.99% of people here and you are only obsessed with this statistic because it paints Vitali favorably.

    The only person who considers the case open - never mind shut - is you.
     
    McGrain, Nov 12, 2020
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