Are the following atgs in your opinion

Yes, all for me. Some greater than others like Greb is in the God’s category but these are all greats for me.

 

Agreed, easy.

 

All but Chocolate make my top 150.

 

What fights have you seen him in? Give it some time, he had amazing longevity. Research him a bit more, and he should crack 150.

No less authority than Sugar Ray Robinson said that he had never seen anyone box like Kid Chocolate before ". Robinson studied the Chocolate style and incorporated much of his slick movement and graceful flair into his own boxing style "

136-10-6, with just 2 KO losses, and probably had more than 800 amateur fights. Extremely active as a pro

 

Damn. That’s harsh. I woulda thought he’d be a lock.

 

They all are.

 

Pascual Perez- borderline

Kid Chocolate- outside looking in

Erik Morales- borderline; leaning towards yes

Vincente Saldivar- absolutely

Mike McCallum- borderline; leaning towards yes

Harry Greb- ...... c’mon now

 

Why?

 

Fantastic record, supreme skills and highly accomplished. Despite being young when he peaked he’d still had great longevity being so good so young.

 

But when your best win is Benny Bass...

 

Could be LaBarba too. He has quite a lot. It’s not always as simple as just taking a quick look at his record for wins that jump out. Besides, Bass is a great fighter.

There’s greater fighters than Chocolate with lesser signature wins. For example, don’t you have Wladimir Klit ahead of Frazier, Liston, Holyfield in the ATG heavyweight rankings? What’s Wlad’s best win? Like I say, sometimes it’s not so simple.

 

His skills looked damn good, I agree. The Canzoneri fight is one of the all time classics. His record looks just as good at first glance, too.

How much quality is in there, though? Not much, especially compared to the other greats of the era. He did face a few of them, but lost to the very best and didn’t do much better than 50/50 against the rest.

I’d say the LaBarba wins are his best. An ATG, yes, but a natural Flyweight whom he lost 1/3 to and who ran him very close in all 3 of their bouts. To the point where the crowd collectively booed both decisions.

I don’t have a strong opinion on him, though. I’m probably being a little harsh against him, actually.

 

Erik Morales....no.


There I said it. Frankly I'm a little afraid I said it. Certainly a warrior. Not taking that from him.

The rest?
Greb ofcourse. Kid Chocolate? Yes.
Body snatcher? Yes with a pause first. The Perez yes. Saldivar? yes.

 

Kid Chocolate was definitely an all-time great.