In the Ring With Jack Dempsey - Part I: The Making of a Champion

My thoughts too. No one owns history, he just shares it more than most. I'd rather read the facts or observations from those who saw than the back and forth stuff between posters.

 

Yeah, well, that's where most people would have known him from. The only question then is how far people's opinions are informed by what they read in the newspapers .... to a point where they adopt the outlook of the newspapers, whether as an aggregate of differing opinion, or a noted consensus.

Probably people do that quite a bit but some things remain uncertain. We don't actually know, I agree on that.

Like you said, people weren't polling the population on what they thought of Jack Johnson.

 

You are welcome to believe what you want but if you think miscegenation is the reason that the black community turned against Johnson you are wrong. Its as simple as that. It was because, as a highly visible member of the public he served as an awful role model and a only reinforced the negative stereotypes that African Americans had fought so hard against.

And once again, trying to draw Adam into the conversation to shame me is just going to fold back on you. Adam reached out to me and when provided the information he requested he ignored it because it didnt suit his narrative. If you think thats good history then I can only assume you are the type of person who thinks someday super computers are going to be able to rebuild complete films of a fight from a single photograph. Oh wait, you actually did say that...

 

Yes, Klompton COULD be a massive asset to discussions here - if only he would behave like a normal human being!

Unfortunately he obviously feels, that to win an argument, he must ridicule his "opponents". There's no back and forth exchange of opinions. His way is the only way - and those who don't agree are idiots, who don't know what they are talking about.

Also, I have a hard time forgetting the way he treated old Burt Bienstock... whose only crime was, that he loved Jack Dempsey! Remember the vitriol he had to take for years, for this "sin"? Far worse and far more malicious, than anything being leveled at Klompton in this thread.

 

Along with another chump poster here who hounded poor Burt !

 

You sir, are a WRITER and a class act. Compton is only a statistician who chronicles history and mirrors it on the page. You are a WRITER!!!!!!

 

Here are some of them

 

Look above sorry 15

 

Willie Meehan said Dempsey was a nasty puncher with his hook and he fought both Langford and Wills ..

 

If you have no issue with his behavior you're in the minority. There is a method of communicating without mean spirited venom out of no where. He can be a massive asset without being an ass.

 

That's the point. Pollack directly uses memorialized first hand accounts. You'd know this if you read any of his nine books. My point has been Klompton didn't read the book but had no problem slamming it .. and to this point lacks the decency to apologize .. instead he goes to his default play time and again which is to all of a sudden be the authority with a lot of detail which would be fine if the first time around he wasn't an ass .. it's the same boring game w this guy .. I'm only tuning in at all because my friend wrote another terrific book and this frustrated , bleacher seat pirate spewed his venom .. that said here's the bottom line .. Pollack will be remembered as one of the sport's most prolific author/ historians of our generation. His body of work will be read and referred to for decades. Klompton will have no legacy at all ..

 

And once again I will refer you back to the posts and ask you to quote me where things went sideways and how I started it. Because the real problem here is that some confuse having their argument ridiculed as having themselves ridiculed and thats because their argument isnt strong enough to stand behind so they get offended and get personal and then cry when I go there too.

As for Burt, yeah, when someone comes around telling bull**** stories about fights that never happened and events at fights that never took place as gospel Im sorry but just being some nameless faceless guy on a forum who claims to be old and witness to those events means dick to me. How many times did Burt go on and on about seeing Robinson fight Dykes in New York (never happened) or any other number of events that never took place and were easily checked. Or how about constantly retelling stories he read in magazines 20 or 30 years ago (that never happened) but applying them to completely different fighters, times, etc. But when I correct him, and he gets upset, Im the bad guy. Anyone who has a problem with me can and should block me. I couldnt care less. But when I see something that stands out to me, good or bad, Im going to comment on it. If, as in this instance, you are a sensitive twat like Grant Id HIGHLY suggest you block me. That way you can post your inane drivel in an echo chamber and dont have to worry about it being commented on.

 

Good information. Thanks. One thing I'll never quite understand in boxing is what you ask so and so who hit you the hardest, the answer is usually someone they beat, not a person who knocked them out.

 

Actually I was slamming your analysis, which has been said over and over and over, you just dont want to hear it and cant support your own argument so you want to draw Adam into this to bail your dumbass out. My exact words were that if you separate the facts from the opinions of those articles they speak themselves. You just cant accept that. Go back and tell me where, before you tried to drag him into it, I criticized this book? My comment was on YOUR statement and the worst thing I said to begin with about the book was that if the book, like your statement, tried to paint Willard as well trained then it was wrong. I followed that up saying I would question ANY book that categorically tried to rewrite history by claiming Willard was well trained. I would welcome anyone to go back and reread these comments and this thread and tell me where I was out of line or where I took things personal. Please. Show me. And while we are talking about legacies Grant when is your next documentary going straight to dumpster, I mean straight to video?