10 Years Later, No One was able to be a Five Division Champion?

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  1. Stiff Jab

    Stiff Jab Despiser of Super-Middleweights Full Member

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    Apparently, they do. And they're recognized by the majority of the boxing world and boxing media. But a shame that they didn't find the magical fountain of authority that the WBA did...and the WBC...and the IBF...and the WBO...and perhaps maybe the IBO will. But maybe one day...

    Or, I could just, you know, count ALL of them, like the rest of the world does, and not have an incredibly silly argument about semantics over a position the rest of the boxing world reached literally decades ago.

    So he beat (the **** out of) a top ten lightweight in his debut fight and that makes him a paper champion to you? Your opinion is looking less like the truth and more like bias, my man.

    Ask the WBC. The moral authority of who should compete for boxing titles that you were JUST advocating for not two paragraphs ago.

    Because Oscar de la Hoya called and Pacquiao answered.
     
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  2. IsaL

    IsaL VIP Member Full Member

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    Haha.. you just love deflecting don't you?

    All I'm saying is forcing your opponent to come in under the weight limit for a championship fight should have asterisks next to that win, if you disagree you're a bigger fan of the fighter than you are of boxing.
     
  3. JOKER

    JOKER Froat rike butterfry, sting rike MFER! banned Full Member

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    Like I've previously stated, Inoue's defensive "liability" is vastly overstated. Dude gets hit no more than Clenelo, Crawford, or Lomachenko. In fact, he may get hit less than the three of them.
     
  4. Oneirokritis

    Oneirokritis The Scourge of Stupid Idiots. Full Member

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    Naoya Inoue can become a five weight World Champion in the next three or four years if he decides not to jump straight up to Featherweight, but instead decides to go up to Super Bantamweight first.
     
  5. Stiff Jab

    Stiff Jab Despiser of Super-Middleweights Full Member

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    You keep saying 'deflecting deflecting' like it's some magical mantra that will make my arguments less true. Let me assure you now...it doesn't.

    1.) The absolute cheek for you, of ALL PEOPLE, to talk about 'asterisk wins' because of 'weight issues' is so ballsy I honestly respect it.

    2.) If you want to put an asterisk next to it? Fine, do it. Do you want to complain about the WBC's corruption? I'll complain right alongside you (let's start with their 'tainted beef' drug policy). It won't change the fact that Manny won a recognized version of the super-welter strap, the eighth official division of his career.
     
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  6. JOKER

    JOKER Froat rike butterfry, sting rike MFER! banned Full Member

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    It is an irrefutable fact that Manny Pacquiao is an 8 division world champion. If you choose not to put much weight into 8th division title, that's your prerogative.

    It's why Mexican legends Morales and JCC call him the GOAT with Barrera saying he's second only behind Ali. It's why Robert and Mikey both say Pacquiao should have won Fighter of the Decade again. It's why Abner Mares, Bernard Hopkins, and Shawn Porter all said they'd choose Pacquiao's legacy over Mayweather's.

    Now Clenelo's record — that there is an actual myth and lie.

    The world saw him losing to GGG twice and many people saw him losing to Trout and Lara. So Clenelo's record could very easily be 49-5-2. Then you throw in the fact that he's the Catchweight King, Rehydration King, and a PED cheat, Clenelo's career comes into focus as a farcical..
     
  7. IsaL

    IsaL VIP Member Full Member

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    You're talking about things completely irrelevant to the farce of Pac becoming a Jr.MW champion at 150 against a fighter who did not deserved to be ranked.
    I'm not talking about anything other than Pac becoming JrMW champion at 150 against Margarito was a joke.
     
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  8. Stiff Jab

    Stiff Jab Despiser of Super-Middleweights Full Member

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    To who, random boxing message board posters?

    Dude, when in God's Green Earth was that a requirement to win a 'recognized title' in the multi-belt era? If that's our requirement now (you keep moving that goal post, so it's a little difficult to keep up with) then a lot of people are even further away from being a 5 division champion (including de la Hoya, Mayweather, and Santa Cruz who you brought up).

    Beat Marquez the second time, though, and got that Ring belt you don't recognize but everyone else does, so...

    Again, for the Ring belt, which Hatton still had, and everyone considered Hatton the best junior-welter in the world at the time (which brings us back to your 'never beat the best of a division' silliness). You stubbornly not recognizing the Ring belt doesn't mean it doesn't exist and most everyone else does.

    No, he has eight. The fact that you have to go through all these circuitous explanations where you keep adding conditions to what titles are and are not legit isn't "you not being a casual", (as if being the life-blood of any sport was ever a bad thing), it's you being a snobby gate-keeper.
     
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  9. IsaL

    IsaL VIP Member Full Member

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    It's also an irrefutable fact that Ramirez holds a win over Whitaker. Still a farce.
     
  10. JOKER

    JOKER Froat rike butterfry, sting rike MFER! banned Full Member

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    Still 8, mate.
     
  11. Stiff Jab

    Stiff Jab Despiser of Super-Middleweights Full Member

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    What's irrelevant? That they did it for the WBC brand of the belt, sanctioned by the WBC? If Pacquiao becoming jr. middleweight champion against Margarito was 'corrupt' and 'asterisk-worthy' and a 'joke' then we need to hold everyone's feet to the fire, starting with the governing body who sanctioned it as a title fight. The fact that you seem unwilling to even condemn them in this specific instance and instead focus on degrading Pacquiao's accomplishments is what's telling.
     
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  12. Stiff Jab

    Stiff Jab Despiser of Super-Middleweights Full Member

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    You're closer to my *****, really, but I like being polite when I **** someone...sorry! Make sweet, sweet love to someone. I certainly wouldn't slap them on the buttcheek and then put my cigar out in their tears...their delicious, salty tears...

    ...uh...a-anyway! Your 'argument'.

    It really isn't an argument, actually. Because you never address what makes the Alphabet's 'real' and the Ring magazine 'fake', other than they are a publication. That's...not a good argument, especially when they put emphasis on lineal champs and we make fun of the ABC boys. So you can say "They don't count!" with those delicious tears streaming down your face until you go blue in the face, Manny Pacquiao will still be an eight-division world champion (where he beat the best in multiple divisions to do so), and most people, from boxing journalists to boxing analysts to boxers themselves will look at you like a ******ed puppy when you try to claim otherwise.

    ...dude.
     
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  13. ShovelHook

    ShovelHook Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yes he is sorry, he can get his fourth soon though.
     
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  14. IsaL

    IsaL VIP Member Full Member

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    Look man, you can parade Pac's fake JrMW win as legitimate if you want, you can bring up all the "other" corruption in boxing all you want, but it doesn't change the fact that winning a JrMW title at 150 against an undeserving opponent is a complete and total joke meant to amuse casual fans.
     
  15. IsaL

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    Still a joke joker.