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What impeded Roy Jones from reaching megastardom?

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Bulldog24 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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Straitjacket time

Bulldog24, Nov 20, 2020

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Bulldog24 said: ↑

Straitjacket time
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No doubt all of us can agree on that at least

Jamal Perkins, Nov 20, 2020

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I just hope he gets the help he needs.

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Richmondpete said: ↑

Have you ever seen someone try to use that tactic with Toney with success?
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You have to use that against elite fighters if you punch without layering your offense then you will be too predictable, you make Toney sound unbeatable.

mark ant, Nov 21, 2020

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Jamal Perkins said: ↑

Than there was the psycopathic 50 page thread trashing roy jones...i used to defend this nutjob when i wasnt familiar with what hes like how he turns on people over some imagined slight
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He doesn`t like me either because I don`t rate the 90`s Brits at 168.

mark ant, Nov 21, 2020

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Bulldog24 said: ↑

It's 2am and you're playing word games on some miniscure forum on the web. Jheez.
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Why the hell are you guys on this forum at 2:00am?

mark ant, Nov 21, 2020

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mark ant said: ↑

He doesn`t like me either because I don`t rate the 90`s Brits at 168.
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Valid reason Mark lol

Wizbit1013, Nov 21, 2020

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mark ant said: ↑

He doesn`t like me either because I don`t rate the 90`s Brits at 168.
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I wouldnt take it personally Mark...you just need to understand Broadmoor bulldog24 like i do...

Broadmoor-He"s mad
Bull- for bullshitter who spars world champs
Dog- he lashes out & will turn on any1.
24- its unrelenting

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klompton2 said: ↑

Pffff. He fought John Ruiz. The weakest HW champion of the era and a former cruiserweight himself. Hopkins chased Jones for years and Jones consistently priced himself out of the fight. After Hopkins had his mega win against Trinidad in a huge event just after 9/11 in New York City with the eyes of the boxing world on him he asked for parity with Jones who was coming off the Roycott his competition was so bad and Jones refused. Jones went through the deepest SMW division in history and had exactly one marquee fight there. He had zero marquee fights at 160. His resume at 175 reads like a whos who of WHO? He didnt start taking any remotely threatening fights until he could claim he was past his prime when he lost them which he typically did in spectacular fashion. I wont even get into the steroids that allowed him to move up and compete with the bums he built his career on and won all of his paper championships against. Roy Jones was exactly what was wrong with the sport in the 90s and 2000s and Floyd Mayweather took that business model to the next level. Cherry pick, hide from the best, fight them past their prime under favorable conditions. These two did so much harm to the sport and people wonder why Jones never really caught on...
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Mayweather did a much better job of facing the best than Roy Jones did. I don't think it is at all comparable.

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Cojimar 1946 said: ↑

Mayweather did a much better job of facing the best than Roy Jones did. I don't think it is at all comparable.
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Its absolutely comparable because Mayweather cherry picked, made sure the deck was stacked in his favor, ducked guys until he thought they were old, and never once unified a division. He and Jones were garbage and basically signed the death certificate for boxing with their cowardly bull**** and self interest to the detriment of the sport that gave them everything.

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Bulldog24 said: ↑

The figure given was James at 222lb was it not?
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Wasn't that figure what he re-hydrated up to after the weigh in?

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Joe.Boxer said: ↑

Everyone knows why; he was a tedious cherrypicking ducker. Period. It's been proven time and again.

Ignore anything Loudunce posts about Roid Jones. He is LITERALLY mentally ill.

I've just caught him repeatedly lying yet again on YouTube in the Gloves Are Off Super-middleweights comment section regarding Roid's duck of Collins. Mental illness 101.

All he does it post endless lines of utter, utter b0llocks. Year in year out. Like a dumber version of David Icke.

Imagine being such a delusional loser that you have to continously invent new lies to back up your bs arguments - even after being proven wrong with referenced facts and reality. TRAGIC.

The fat 40 year old NPD & OCD impaired autistic loser is destined to spend the rest of his sad miserable life lying about Roid Jones online. Brutal.

Veteran posters all know he's beyond help. Newer or slower-witted posters waste hours before getting wise.

He is nothing but a useless internet troll.

Enough of that freak;

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After the '90s were over, the HBO bosses had belatedly gotten wise to Roid Jones and were growing tired with the cherrypicking Jones - after deliberately pricing himself out or flatout refusing offers for real fights - now hiding firmly behind the fake mandatory defences of his meaningless paper ABC titles excuse (e.g. Frazier & Richard Hall) in order to avoid the real challenges, in particular his refusal to challenge world light-heavyweight champion Dariusz Michalczewski.

This excuse was again particularly bogus considering how Roid swerved WBC #1 challenger Nunn, WBC interim champion Rochigianni, and embarrassingly wrote letters to the IBF in order to duck their #1 challenger Antonio 'Milkdud' Tarver then dropped his IBF strap altogether when Tarver returned to the #1 spot in '02; moves that would eventually come back to take his soul. LOL.

HBO's senior vice-president Lou DiBella was the first to speak out ahead of quitting HBO altogether in Apr 2000 to go on his own with a few select boxers, partly due to having to deal with Roid's bs which was making a mockery of the matchmaking standards which DiBella had previously worked hard to set for the network;

At HBO, DiBella tossing in towel
NY Daily News
12 Apr 2000

It's no secret that the outspoken super matchmaker for HBO has grown weary of all the backbiting, backstabbing and all-around good clean fun that makes the sport the last untamed frontier in American free enterprise.

At a recent legal seminar at Seton Hall Law School in Newark, DiBella took a shot at the May 13 bout between Roy Jones Jr. and Richard Hall, which will be broadcast on his own network, calling the bout a terrible mismatch and lousy television. "The May 13 fight we're putting on is garbage," DiBella said. "We're putting it on because Roy Jones wants to fight and he doesn't want to give up the belts. I have opponent approval, but I don't have the power to make him give up the belts if he turns down a mandatory."

Roid himself would laughably pretend he was reluctant to defend his meaningless paper ABC straps against his mandatory bums (when in reality he was more than happy to) and even suggested he may do the right thing and give up the belts if this cr@p continues;

Jones-HBO tussle steals show
Dan Rafael, USA TODAY
11 May 2000

"If they keep forcing me into these kind of fights, I may give up the titles," Jones says. "I remember when you had to prove yourself to be No. 1. Now guys show up No. 1 because of a promoter."

"I want to have one or two more defenses of the undisputed title, and then maybe I'll give them up. I've tried to live by the rules, but the organizations keep coming at you, making these title fights for no reason."

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Drop his paper straps??

If he would be boxing the likes of Hall, Frazier, or Glen Kelly? No.

To duck a difficult southpaw in Nunn, Rochigianni, or Tarver? Yes - which is exactly what he did.

After Jones vs Hall (the infamous steroids fight), Seth Abraham would then admit to the farcical situation he had created with Roid hiding behind the tired "mandatory title defences" reason as his prime excuse for the ducking & cherrypicking;

Jones Mauls Hall
New York Times
16 May 2000

"The referee ought to be pistol-whipped for allowing that to go on." An excessive punishment, but Merchant would not have said it if Jones did not insist on fighting mandatory challengers whom talent bypassed. Last year, he dispatched an embarrassing mandatory, Richard Frazier, the World Boxing Council's No. 1 contender, in the second round. Hall was the World Boxing Association's top contender. And Jones is looking to face the International Boxing Federation's highest-ranked challenger, to be chosen from the winner of the little-anticipated Antonio Tarver-Eric Harding bout.

But Jones does not want to lose any of his belts and HBO cannot force him to surrender a belt.

''It's maddening,'' said Seth Abraham, the president of Time Warner Sports. ''For Roy, the belts represent a level of status that we don't hear from Lennox Lewis, Oscar De La Hoya and Naseem Hamed.''

Technically, HBO could pay Jones his millions and not televise a gross mismatch, Abraham said, ''but if we didn't, we'd open ourselves up to a breach of contract lawsuit.''

Only one fight remains on Jones's HBO contract. The fight must be on TVKO pay-per-view, for which Jones is guaranteed no money. And he will face Tarver or Harding, unless he wants to lose his I.B.F. belt.

''Roy will earn whatever the public thinks that fight is worth,'' Abraham said. Which won't be much. Jones's pay-per-view appeal has been compromised by the weak light-heavyweight division. Even Jones's talent can't make up for a mismatch when fans are asked to pay $40 or $50.

It doesn't get any clearer than that.

And if you're wondering why the f*ck Michalczewski was rarely heard of on HBO, after the Hall fight in May '00 Larry Merchant would admit on Pedro Fernandez's Ringtalk online radio show that Roid went as far as to specifically ask the HBO commentary not to even mention Michalczewski's name during their broadcasts. Pathetic.

...Jones-Harding would predictably sell poorly on ppv, with the deluded greedy Jones reportedly losing millions after taking Murad Muhammad's unbelievably dumb advice to decline HBO's massive $4.2m flat fee offer for the garbage Harding ppv to gamble on the buy rate instead, resulting in Roid getting mad and giving him the boot;

Roy Jones, Jr. Break With Murad Muhammad Near
By Thomas Hauser
12 Sep 2000

Roy Jones, Jr. hasn't suffered many beatings in the ring during his boxing career, but he took a bad one last Saturday night. Preliminary figures confirm that, as expected, the world's best fighter will be out-of-pocket between $1,000,000 and $2,000,000 in conjunction with the New Orleans fight card promoted by Murad Muhammad. At Muhammad's urging, Jones was the card's primary financial backer. Add to that the $4,200,000 that Jones would have received had he ignored Muhammad's advice and accepted a flat rights fee from HBO, and there's a swing well in excess of $5,000,000.

Jones is also reportedly angered by what he considers poor treatment of his family at the fight site. And he is starting to focus on allegations that Muhammad has improperly taken $1,000,000 in revenue from previous Roy Jones fights.

"It should unravel quickly for Murad," a source close to the champion said on Monday night. "In all likelihood, he'll be out within a week."

...With DiBella gone after HBO's contract with Roid expired, Abraham - knowing full well HBO could end up locked into the same situation given Roid's well-documented reluctance - incredibly managed to f*ck up on an epic scale when he somehow deluded himself into re-signing Roid to another soft, even more ridiculous contract which was wide open to abuse in late 2000 just before Abraham left the company, allowing the already-overpaid Roid to blackmail HBO late in the negotiations into increasing his guaranteed license fees to box cherrypicked opposition despite Roid still not being able to draw flies and HBO bidding against nobody but themselves. Mind boggling. (Practically all web links which covered the negotiations seem to be dead.)

Note: Lying spastic Loudunce's invented fantasy version of reality;

Totally clueless.
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Stood him on his head, bless him.

You can't help but feel sorry for the guy 'Loudon', and his like.

Bulldog24, Nov 21, 2020

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Wasn't that figure what he re-hydrated up to after the weigh in?
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Nooo that was only 186 my man, he couldn't eat. So he put on **** all.

Bulldog24, Nov 21, 2020

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klompton2 said: ↑

Its absolutely comparable because Mayweather cherry picked, made sure the deck was stacked in his favor, ducked guys until he thought they were old, and never once unified a division. He and Jones were garbage and basically signed the death certificate for boxing with their cowardly bull**** and self interest to the detriment of the sport that gave them everything.
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Would a loss really have hurt their standing that much?

janitor, Nov 21, 2020

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klompton2 said: ↑

Its absolutely comparable because Mayweather cherry picked, made sure the deck was stacked in his favor, ducked guys until he thought they were old, and never once unified a division. He and Jones were garbage and basically signed the death certificate for boxing with their cowardly bull**** and self interest to the detriment of the sport that gave them everything.
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Absolute nonsense.

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