Usyk vs Wilder

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  1. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

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    So why does it matter if he won or lost those fights? He's still open to be criticised from them, and rightly so. If you're getting rocked by Eric Molina and Dominic Breazeale, out-boxed by Artur Spzilka, Gerald Washington and Luis Ortiz, then someone picking Usyk to beat him can't be that wild.
     
  2. Ph33rknot

    Ph33rknot Live as if you were to die tomorrow Full Member

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    Usyk can also be beating him and get kod
     
  3. Mitch87

    Mitch87 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Chisora? He is levels above any of these mentioned opponents as proven by looking at their resumes. Just look at hisbpeformance against Spzilka compared to Wilder.
     
  4. Ph33rknot

    Ph33rknot Live as if you were to die tomorrow Full Member

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    Sure
     
  5. Surrix

    Surrix Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I'm very interested might Usyk fight vs Briedis at HW?
    Or for marketing purposes better is to think that close fight was impressive win for him?:D
    And Usyk might be declared in forums as division cleaner in backyards.
    Despite WBSS didn't used local refs and judges for his fights vs Gassiev and Briedis or Glowacki.

    Usyk is such god that with him more money form live gates was possible to generate in poland, RIX and Moscow than in Kiev.
    Therefore " backyards " cleaner.
     
  6. Surrix

    Surrix Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Now looks that even with Dorticos or Okolie he might have a lot porblems, not alone with the same Briedis.
    Kid is happy, won this Briedis on cards and now his fans, eddie and egis might be relaxed.
    Not alone that now if he had fight vs Okolie, I better bettet on Okolie.

    It doesn't looks so, he had real problems with out of retirement, over the hill Whiterspoon, not alone Chisora.
    And Chisora is good boxer but he is slow, considerably slower than 41. y.o Povetkin. not alone that nor Whiterspoon nor Chisora are capable to afford to him the same game in clinch like Briedis is capable, not to talk about Fury. Large and looks that is capable to improve even during course of the fight + him likes also close contact too, incl clinches.
     
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  7. Oreet Cha!

    Oreet Cha! I know what I like and I like what I know. Full Member

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    Wilder has fought just one World Champ as you like to put it. Stiverne.

    Fury was merely a contender when they fought both times. He had no belt, no title. All he had was his name. He was a former Champ.

    If he is raggy enough to obtain a 3rd fight with Fury, then this will be the very 1st time that Wilder will have stepped up and fought a credible World Champ.
     
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  8. Ph33rknot

    Ph33rknot Live as if you were to die tomorrow Full Member

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    But he was undisputed at one point
     
  9. Surrix

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    Well, before first fight vs Fury fans in forums assumed very easy night in office vs Fury.
    Then long annoying talks how he will beat Fury in rematch.
    2nd fight vs Fury, this I think might be considederd as a fight vs dangerous opponent.

    Yeah, looks that he had lesser number of really high level fights than even Dorticos, not alone to talk about Usyk, Briedis or even Glowacki.
     
  10. Surrix

    Surrix Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Where?
     
  11. Ph33rknot

    Ph33rknot Live as if you were to die tomorrow Full Member

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    Fury after wlad
     
  12. Surrix

    Surrix Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yeah, might be, it this was about Fury.
    Wlad then was already old, then......
    Did Fury had all 4 major orgs tittles? I a bit lazy to check it.
     
  13. MorvidusStyle

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    I'd be nervous for Usyk in this fight. I think a Wilder-Fury I situation could happen at any time. And Usyk can not keep the distance Fury can which provides a little longer to see and evade the incoming RH.

    It's that same old problem with Wilder. Usyk could look amazing, evade and counter, land a hundred punches, bust Wilder up but not take him out and then Wilder finally connects after missing a hundred times and gets the win.

    But if Uysk decided to try to take Wilder out like Fury did the second time, who knows, maybe he makes it look easy. It's a fascinating match up.
     
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  14. Surrix

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    Doesn't looks that he does have arsenal for this, Okolie does have more chances for this one not Usyk.

    I do know also why Usyk is considered as better boxer than Briedis.
    Usyk is more marketable and won on cards because then he had more impactful manager and promoter than Briedis.
    All the maths and therefore fight had been scored fairly.

    Now, sorry, the same Dorticos, not alone Briedis are capable to beat out all of Usyk and cards there will be not helpful.
    Usyk had probelms even with Whiterspoon, not alone to think what with this cleaner in backyard might now do Okolie, Briedis or Dorticos.
    Not to talk about Wilder.
    Usyk can't plan to outbox Wilder 12 rounds and wait till cards.
    He already was lucky " beater " and division cleaner because Briedis decided to box with him not maul him in clinches and octopus him.
    Division cleaner in backyards that had BIG problems with Whiterspoon, not alone Chisora.

    Usyk is over hyped in forums.
    He does have problems and even barely defeated Briedis.
    Might he have balls to fight with Briedis again?
    Most likely instead of this we will see nice posts in forums for long years.
    Division cleaner marketing talks?
    Sure.
     
  15. Mitch87

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    I think a fairer comparison would be how Wilder fairs against more limited opponents(but more well rounded than Wilder) in the likes of Rivas, Chisora and Martin which is closer to his level.