Change my mind about David Haye.

More or less talked his way into a Klitschko bout and showed just how much better he was at talking than heavyweight boxing.

 

I always thought Haye was too sloppy when he had a guy hurt. Like, Wilder level sloppy. His loss to Carl Thompson came from so called inexperience, but I tend to think prime for prime, Carl beats any Haye. If you look at what he did in the CAT fight, it's pretty clear that he figured the old man was hurt and he had nothing to worry about. He rushed in, Carl does what Carl does best, and irons him out like Miracle Matthew.

But you can see that sloppiness and extreme aggression years later, vs Ruiz or Harrison for example. Inexperience had nothing to do with those two things. The problem Haye had there, was pacing, and he was never the best at that either.

You have to remember just how old Carl Thompson was, and just how much mileage he had.

 

Good, probably a very good Cruiser but i think he took the path of least resistance.
World class power but some doubts over stamina and chin. He had fast short combos, but then needed a long reset. Got cut against Fragomeni and was looking under pressure but rallied and landed some big powers shots to get the win.

Beat Mormeck away in a good win after getting off the canvas (always thought although he got clipped and hurt, there was a slip involved as well) and then beat Enzo to be a unified champ but if you do a little digging Enzo didn't have a loads of world class wins either. HE didn't fight USS or O'Neil Bell who were active around this time I think.

He then talks his way up at heavy. Looks good at times in beating up a past prime Ruiz, he manages to squeak by Valuev but this was done better by an ancient Holyfield although Evander didn't get the nod.

The win over Chisora and the fashion of it was solid enough but that was his last meaningful night in the ring. He was one of my favorite fighters in his prime at Crusiser but then he became this sales man type heavyweight and the game plan for Wlad was all wrong - as soon as he realised how fast Wlad was on his feet he spent the night in reverse or trying to fall on the floor.

He might have chance of catching and finished AJ or someone stiff and robotic but I cant see him beating Fury - there is a sparring video of him and Wilder playing rock em sock em robots so his power gives him a chance but hes naturally smaller than the big big heavy's. Someone like Andy Ruiz - good chin and good stamina would cause him trouble. At cruiser he was a KO puncher at heavy more a Knockdown puncher. He could win a belt again but would never hold them all.

Good fighter, world class but could possibly have been a great one.

 

Wlad is the only fight I've seen of him recently, from that I don't think he could beat Joshua or Fury.

He was constantly going way off balance against Wlad when trying to get in range, and a lot of the time just looked outright sloppy. He could move his body fairly quickly, but his handspeed wasn't great.

 

NO. No. Outside of some sorta outta nowhere accidental one punch KO, (as it is HW boxing, that is a legit possibility) David Haye would not ever win a legitimately recognized HW title from a legitimately recognized champion in the current era, nor any other era. Haye was a skilled fighter, and I don't wish to rag him too badly, but, no. It was absolutely appropriate that for him to win his HW title it would be against the side show fighter whom he got it off of. Again. No, but on top of that the word undisputed was mentioned, and that creates no's to the infinite nth degree

 

I think Haye has a 50 50 chance of beating Joshua .. Against Tyson Fury he would not have a chance he lose by Tko

 

I bought into it, paid for the broadcast and then cursed Haye the whole way through for his abject performance. Hated the guy ever since. All talk.

 

Haye's limitations were as profound as his brilliance, and he knew it.

Understand this, and a lot about him becomes clearer.

He might well have been the most formidable finisher, in either the cruiserweight or heavyweight division, but he had an Achilles heel.

In a drawn out fight, he was very prone to running out of steam, and he built his fight strategies around this weakness.

Put him in todays era, and he faces the same dilemmas.

 

He was useless.
His best win at heavyweight was KO of Chisora, a glorified journeyman.
At cruiserweight he's even more overrated.

 

I like Haye, very exciting fighter and I think he was a very good cruiser. He had his flaws, patchy resume, tended to get wild at times, also had a whatever chin and suspect stamina, I actually really wasn’t a fan at first because I thought he was just another wild slugger. The more I watched him the more I appreciated him, unified champion, underrated technician, speed, power, athletic, and always in great shape. One of those guys that’s both overrated and underrated

I still wouldn’t pick him over any elite heavyweight in their prime

 

I like Haye but he has zero chance again Joshua, Fury, or Usyk.

 

Zero chance ?? Don't talk rubbish.

 

None whatsoever.