Quitting

I think nerves exhausted him a little as well. He looked a wee bit nervous between rounds and that can make your body a lot more stiff etc. No way he should have been blowing after a 5 punch combination, that was quite poor

 

Put it this way Mark Heffron's corner pulled him out Vs Bentley in similar circumstances the other week. He was catching heavy shots and after 13 fairly cagey rounds its pretty obvious he couldn't see the shots incoming. That has barely got a mention.

I haven't see the fight (yes i know) but reading its seems a stange end but maybe just all got too much having an 18stone unite smaking your broken eye socket around.

The orbital break and nerve damage worry me. Did Dubious quit? I don't really care to be honest. He probably did. So did Duran and he was an ATG and won big fighters afterwards.

He's 22 if that's the end of his career but he still has sight that's something he's got a lot of living to do. This modern day gladiator rhetoric is shite. They are sportsmen with lives and families after boxing, not killers having to kill someone for survival. It's sport not life and death.

See Nick Blackwell for proof

 

I'm sure the Eubanks will weigh in on this soon if they haven't already

 

So many brave posters in here. Dubois knew he was in serious danger of being hurt worse than he already was (he likely knew his eye was damaged badly and probably aware it was broke) and decided that enough was enough. Just because some fans (evidentially a lot in here) think it's more "manly" or "a proper fighter's behaviour" to allow himself to get knocked into oblivion, stretchered out or beaten to a pulp does not mean it's the right thing to do. It's ****ing ridiculous and barbaric that some so called "fans" aren't satisfied without someone being maimed.

When I boxed I remember I was getting a right pasting off some unbeaten lad in a local derby, had a couple of standing 8 counts and he'd knocked my gumshield out a couple of times. I never stopped coming forward and wanted to go on but my corner pulled me out before the last round - which was the right thing to do. However, I was a child then and probably too thick to know that if I was in serious danger I need to think of my future.

This whole quitting thing is ridiculously damning of boxing - it's not even a conversation in my eyes. I think it nullifies any praise you give to a boxer who carries on through these kinds of circumstances - you can't have it both ways. If you praise someone for fighting on then criticise someone for quitting then you are a hypocrite as you are praising the expected behaviour. If someone has had enough they have had enough - not you, me, the corner, the ref, the promoter or any man and his dog has the right to force someone, or is regularly the case, coerce someone into carrying on beyond when they should.

 

Yes after every front foot raid, you could see he needed a good amount of time to rest and recover. By the time he did the attacks in the 5th, he was out of it and never recovered. The commentator said he was shaking between rounds which is perhaps also the nerves you were talking about...

Nerves + no plan other than front foot all in attacks = gassing out very early.

 

Nothing is ever worth you losing your sight for, nothing.

Bottom line lads.

 

Most likely permanently damaged physically and mentally - will be very impressed if he goes on to prove people wrong.

Sadly if that injury is as serious as reported, his career trajectory to a World Title Challenge is a dream that will never happen now.

Poor matchmaking since the Gorman fight where he was matched with puddings where he should have been faced with increasingly difficult opponents.

He had enough fights to be ready to face Joyce, the problem is with the exception of Gorman and Kingpin, they were all the same types of puddings and he learned nothing.

 

Also, when you look back, as one example, Nick Blackwell should have quit but he didn't and...

We all sadly know the rest.

Like I said yesterday, there are two different kinds of quit jobs.

There is the Khan v Crawford type which has no place in the game and then you have the types like Dubois.

Cut the guy some slack. It was his choice to call and he probably made the correct call for himself as a person, not for us lot sat on the sofa.

He'll come again.

 

Dubois has the same problem girls have being criticised for sleeping around. Guys can point to girls who don't sleep around and say that's how it should be.

Would every boxer quit from that injury? Brook did, Anthony Agogo .. Matthyse.

But then Inoue claims to have broken his orbital socket against Donaire but just adjusted (easier at that weight I guess). Any others who have fought on with that injury?

 

Mallinaggi did and also said he would never do that again.

 

Donaire is elite and completely confident in his own ability. the others werent. brook showed great balls going up to fight ggg, ogogo was getting beat up by a brit level fighter he was supposed to flog all over the ring, and matthysse had no answer to viktor postols skills and reach.

 

I've read a fair bit of this thread and forum following the events that unfolded, and haven't seen much that could be interpreted this way.

For instance, I wouldn't call Dianabol Dubois a quitter, or ridicule what he decided to do, but I will call a spade and spade and say that he quit. Why is that a bad thing?

 

although I think the corner let him down I don’t think the “quit” was purely down to the eye. I think if he had anything left in the tank he would have tried to see it out. He was blowing, had never done the distance before and certainly not with someone with an engine like the juggernaut.

 

Edday Hearns has come out and said that Dubois doesn't have a fracture it's just swelling. Hearns knows more than the doctors and medical team that performed x-rays and diagnosed the fracture obviously

 

Are you asking why quitting is a bad thing or why calling him a quitter is a bad thing.

Also, just to answer your first point that I have misinterpreted people wanting him to go on, one post below says Dubois is less of a fighter (he isn't a fighter, he's a boxer) and this is "why we watch boxing" both indicate to me that these are not satisfied unless someone is hurt;