Quitting

Shut up mate.

 

It’s always difficult as a non participant to say a prize fighter quit, but essentially that’s what he did.
I’m not making any moral judgement on him or criticising him just simply making an observation.
Fighters reflect society, some have a high pain threshold and would rather die than be pulled out others not so.
That’s just life.

 

When the going gets tough again (at that level now it will be same each fight), will he just not continue again? If so, people will stop tuning in etc and desert him.

 

To be honest, if we take the viewpoint of a brain injury charity, I would hold my hands up and say professional boxing is 100% immoral and indefensible anyway.
Maybe it is.
Well it is.
Indefensible.
Maybe we should just ban punches to the head ? Maybe that's the right thing to do, but I'd stop watching it.
But then a few years down the line we'd hear about all the liver and kidney damage pros are getting.

Enjoying professional boxing at all is probably irresponsible.

But, right or wrongly, I do recognize degrees of bravery in a boxing ring.
And bravery is an admirable quality.
It is what it is.

 

The thing is, Dubois didn't really mention eye pain or concern about blindness as a reason for quitting after the fight. He seemed to concede he was out of gas (but it look more mental than anything).
And his corner were scared of him quitting really early on, a while before the eye even looked like it was properly swelling.

Physically I thought Dubois was in the fight almost all the way. He was in it, on strong steady legs. There were no 10-8 rounds and the fight was about even at the end. Joyce was maybe a point ahead, i thought. Dubois' problems seemed more mental than physical, he was discouraged because Joyce was tough and cool and it was getting towards the end of a 12 round fight.
The "championship rounds" and he surrendered his championship.

It's no big deal that he quit.
He can redeem himself. He gave a decent effort for a few rounds. It's just one defeat. He can come again.
But he did quit.
And a little prematurely for a British champion tipped to go to world level, I reckon.

I think people scrambling around to talk about brain damage, blindness, and castigating his cornermen and the referee and all the professionals who call it like they saw it .......... in an effort to mitigate and sugar coat the quit job, are doing boxing no favours.

Joyce was the better man.
Dubois didn't have the experience, confidence and heart to go the distance.
He didn't adapt well and he was a bit quick to surrender.
There's nothing wrong with admitting that.

 

That’s a very fair post and I don’t know how you could argue against it.

Biggest problem was that they only seemed to have a plan A, they must’ve been a bit disheartened when the big shots just bounced off Joyce’s head and didn’t even mark him up. I think there was a point there where DD thought I’m putting in big shots with no reward while I’m getting my eye ****ed up and I don’t like this. This is where previous experience of such a fight would’ve come in very handy, you need to know what it’s like to take a bit back. Maybe with this under his belt he can show that he can take it and he mentally strong enough to compete at Such a level.

Joyce is a very experienced operator, fought at the best amateur level and you know he’d have taken it all night - that’s the levels right there.

 

Hard for the man in the street to say any boxer 'quits' but every boxer or ex boxer I've seen apart from one (O'Hara Davies) says he did and I wonder why he says that.. Not saying its the wrong decision and may well turn out to be a good one as regards to him fighting again but its a weakness at the top top level thats hard to shake off imo.
His corner wouldn't have been saying what they were to him completely out of the blue , their urgency and frantic attempts to pump him up seemed to show a deeper issue that has been a problem previously.
A couple of years against feather fisted opposition must be on the agenda now as he showed very little resistance both physically and mentally when unable to blast his opponent out.

 

I think he’ll beat himself up about it. He wasn’t getting battered and quit. Yes, his eye was closing but we’ve all seen a lot worse.

The fact is he was in with someone who’d taken the shots others had been stopped with and he was having to work harder to land them. He also had to stay switched on as Joyce was actually trying and succeeding in hitting him back. If you add this together he was mentally and physically exhausted, probably worrying about shipping a huge shot because he couldn’t see and then if you add the pain it all made him make the decision to quit.

He will probably be so pissed off that he didn’t just carry on. Less than 9 minutes of pain were left and he’ll know now that that’s all it was. This might help him when he’s in the trenches again.

It helps me when I quit a hard run like a ***** after a hard day at work. The sense of shame makes me complete it the next time. Hopefully it’s the same for him. Obviously I’m not comparing a run to a fight haha.

 

Another thing this debate makes me wonder.
If referees and corners start stopping fights every time a fighter has a swollen eye, are people here actually going to support it ?

(By the way, I'm not saying Dubois didn't have a right to quit or should be forced to fight. Every fighter has that right, of course)

BUT .... people have come out and said the corner and the referee were to blame and should have stopped the fight (despite it looking far from a horrendous one-sided beating, to most of us).
Honestly, I think there would be outrage is referee had called it off.

Also, think the cornermen would have been criticized if they pulled fighters out the moment a fighter looks a little disheartened. Corners have generally been seen as having a duty to motivate their fighters and to pump him up mentally when things get a bit hard (within reason, of course). It would be weird if they were supposed to take a melancholy attitude and pack up their tent at the first sign of bad weather.

 

Im a boxing fan, not a fighting fan, doesn't mean that im ok with them quitting, he sold have quit on his stool and not get stopped by a jab.

and the gladiator sentence is something constantly repeated by boxers.

 

I hate it, Eubank always goes on about the warrior code, young Chris follows the Warrior code, yuu won't see him quit beating up has beens.

 

Hearn’s comments are a disgrace tbh. Wasn’t he the first on camera with the fake tears after Patrick Day died acting like he cared about all fighters?

 

Did you call Warren’s comments about Whyte, AJ and Brook a disgrace? Just so we’re being fair.

 

Yes it was close, but it wasn't going to stay it. DDD was done. Joyce was only coming on stronger and had a full tank left to tear that eye up even more.

He had also hit Joyce with the kitchen sink and had little to no effect. Joyce is just the better fighter.

 

Classic deflection