Unpopular Opinion: Fury Vs Joshua

Why didn't AJ tell Ruiz he didn't have to fight him? Because Miller failed his drug tests and AJ wanted to make a big US debut as champ. Ruiz was Millers replacement. Why did AJ and Wilder go round and round in endless negotiations, each accusing the other of ducking?

Your so close to the veins in the leaves that you're missing the forest every time you find a "linear logic" doesn't work example.
Like most here I think Fury-AJ will be competitive and give Fury the edge.

 

I will, the second you prove me wrong...

 

Fury has fought exactly 2 guys in the current top 30...2. He beat Wilder, so what? Now he wants nothing to do with the rematch and he wants to fight Kabayel. This PEDs cheat also fought bums ranked in the 100's within the last 3 years yet he is championed like Joe Louis or something. He has 2 good wins on his entire resume and a steroid ban. How does that make you the best? Please explain...

 

Precisely...

 

Yes attacking the body exposes the head, but Fury's head is already exposed because his guard is already low. His style is usually to have a low guard blocking body shots and uses head movement to slip shots. He doesn't have a high guard like Joshua where the body is exposed so you don't go down stairs to drop the hands because the hands are already low. Joshua going for the body will just see him hit arms and elbows most of the time. The fact you can't see that baffles me and makes me wonder if you even understand the basics of boxing.

Fury can be got too, he isn't untouchable as your Wlad example shows and countless other examples have shown where he's been dropped. But Joshua's problem is dropping Fury isn't enough he has to be able to finish him because Fury always gets up and we know Joshua is a good finisher but he's also vulnerable when going for the finish as shown vs Whyte and Ruiz and he's susceptible to punching himself out as shown vs Whyte and Wlad. Joshua will at best have 2-3 big attacks in him over the course of a 12 round fight and I don't think that's enough to grind Fury down and stop him or win a decision. Joshua doesn't have the gas tank to sustain the kind of constant pressure round after round the break Fury down and Fury's ability to recover will prevent him being one punch KO'ed as shown by the Wilder fights.

The example I used of counter punching isn't just an isolated case, Fury is a counter puncher like Joshua watch any Fury fight and you'll see him counter punch. Also Joshua like anyone is vulnerable to counters for example Ruiz's entire style is the walk forward draw a lead and counter. Joshua isn't just some iron chinned eat a punch to take a punch type, he can be discourage by counters, like most boxers and even if Fury doesn't counter Fury will still have opportunities on the front foot as I said before Joshua can't sustain attacks he doesn't throw enough to keep Fury on the back foot all fight unless Fury decides to fight that way. You can't ignore the fact Joshua is not a pressure fighter, you're expecting him to suddenly change styles for Fury and gain a gas tank, not happening.

As for comparing Fury to Dychko, well Dychko isn't Fury. Dychko even as an amateur gassed in fights despite the limited rounds, much easier to press a fighter who has the stamina of a chain smoker with stage 3 lung cancer. Also a lot of people thought Dychko beat Joshua at the Olympics though personally I had Joshua edging it.

Joshua will no doubt try and press Fury and attack the body as he has no other options as he's the inferior out fighter. But you have to realise that isn't his natural style, he's a counter puncher and even if he can alter his natural style, which I think he can do as he's a good all round fighter and be all out aggressive he at best has 6-8 rounds fighting that way before he gasses out completely and becomes vulnerable and then Fury just walks him down and KO's him and does what Wlad failed to do when he had a gassed out Joshua in front of him.

How I see this fight is that yes AJ's combo's and simply better boxing skills will allow him to have more success vs Fury than Wilder ever did, AJ is superior to Wilder in most ways, so I agree with you there. But his successes can't be sustained because he can't throw enough to grind Fury down which is what will be required because the Wilder fights showed one punch KOing him isn't going to work because he will always get back up. Joshua will lose a decision, a competitive decision but he loses none the less, the style match up simply doesn't favour him because his style isn't the aggressive, body puncher type that you make him out to be.

 

so what's more important, beating wilder (who he's already had a rematch with) or beating the guys ranked 4-30?

i hear where you're coming from, but among the top 3 fighters at HW only 2 have fought each other. it stands to reason that the winner has the mantle of no.1 HW until someone proves otherwise.
beating ranked fighters is good for a resume, but what's the point if they don't fight the big dogs?

it's a moot point anyway.
fury-joshua need to fight and that should go a long way to deciding the issue.

 

I think you forget how AJ's blitz against Wlad ended up, with him gassing and ending up on the floor next round.

 

Why does everyone nitpick that Fury fought those two when he was coming back from obesity?

 

Ruiz isn't that strong an opponent, h wasn't touted that highly, top 15-20 max when he first faced AJ. Not many people rated the pick highly initially. It was just a cherry pick gone wrong and that's why the fight was notable.

 

I think AJ wins.

We unsure just what level Fury is at since coming out of retirement due tonthe poor level of opposition he has faced.

Stylistically I believe AJ is bad match for Fury. I see AJ fighting in a more aggressive manor similar to his fights with Wlad. Fury jab is not strong enough to keep AJ at bay from cutting the distance between them and in the clinch I don't see Fury out muscling like he has done with scrawny opposition of late. I believe AJ inside work (which is underrated) will see him KD and KO Fury (Fury has history of being dropped and hurt by lower quality and much smaller opponents).

As we saw with non top 40 fighter and a featherfisted at that in Wallin who found it easy to land on Fury in that fight.

 

I wouldn't call that a cherry pick gone wrong simply because he offered the fight to then perceived better fighters like Ortiz. They went with Ruiz probably because he was American/Mexican and so would have a natural fan base, would come to Joshua so could give Joshua an exciting fight for as long as it lasted rather than have a fight where he had to chase someone and risk a boring decision.

I'd say the Ruiz fight was more a case of Joshua taking his eye off the ball than picking the wrong guy. His promo work in the build up was that of a fighter more concerned with self promotion than the fight, that was pretty obvious. He became a brand first and a fighter 2nd and paid the price for his lack of focus.

 

Good lord your boring

He has nothing else

You are not capable

On talent alone