The Classic Boxing Myth Thread

My "source" is the Boxrec page for the second fight:

• One Las Vegas bookmaker had Frazier as a 7-5 favorite.

I don't have any contemporary sources and sure would like to see some. I've searched a little and haven't found odds posted elsewhere.

When I first read that line on BoxRec I was certainly surprised. But when I thought about the context I looked at the fact that since mid-1974 Frazier had looked great against a resurgent Quarry, stopped Jimmy Ellis (no great shakes by that point), and gone life-and-death with Ali in Manila.

Whereas Foreman had been kayoed by Ali, fought a series of unflattering exhibitions, and gone life and death with a Ron Lyle who'd already lost to Jimmy Young and Ali.

So maybe the idea of Frazier being favored doesn't seem so crazy without the benefit of hindsight.

 

Okay, the June 15th Montreal Gazette states that "the book quoted Frazier at 7-5 and Foreman at 9-5." So did some oddsmakers have Frazier favored and others have Foreman favored???

The June 14th Montreal Gazette also has a preview, via UPI. No odds are posted, but the tone of the article indicates the fight was considered a toss-up going in.

 

Leonard deserved the decision vs Hagler. He deserved to be DQd or at least had points deducted which obviously flips the outcome.

 

Also the fact that he came in at 142 proves the point itself. He was not an effective fighter at Welterweight. SweetPea on the other hand had grown naturally into Welterweight. I believe JCC started his career at 126. Pea at 135. A bit of difference.

 

i saw this programme when it first aired and we had it recorded on VHS. It was on BBC2 and called Harry Carpenters best boxing moments

 

johnson took a dive against willard- Utter bollocks

 

I reckon that "one" Las Vegas bookmaker was the only one that had Joe favored. Overall Foreman was favored for sure imo.

 

Pretty close, apparently. Overall Foreman seems to have been the favourite by a shade.

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DQ’d or points dedicated for what exactly?

 

One of the more weird/hilarious ones:

Believing that sex berfore a fight wasn't good for you, Carnera's trainers made him wear a tight rubber band around his **** when going to sleep... to prevent him from having wet dreams!

 

A litany of fouls throughout the fight. Hitting on the break? Holding and hitting? Hitting after the bell? Hitting low? When in RingCenter he wound up a bolo and hitt Hagler in the jewels would have been a good time to deduct a point.
He was doing a Rocky Marciano impersonation.

 

This. If anything Weill and Goldman often times had to force Marciano to train less and eat more, since Marciano was a fanatic when it came to training and dieting.

In a lot of Marciano’s earlier fights where he and Columbo had more discretion over Marciano’s diet and training regime Marciano would often under eat and over train, which is why his weight would even go under 180 lbs and he’d underperform. Once Weill seen value in being more involved in Marciano’s career he and Goldman reigned Marciano in.

 

LOL. Nothing egregious.

Go get some cheese to go with that whine.

 

Don't ask scary questions if you don't want the answers. Are you such a Leonard fan boy that taking a point for fouling is beyond the realm of possibility?
Now to the rest of the folks who walk upright and wear shoes...Hagler was a great champion of legendary toughness. Does that mean that catch clean punches from a another world class boxer isn't supposed to affect him? If it were the other way around how many of Leonard's limp wristed possy would have squealed in protest?