Jack Dempsey vs. Jess Willard

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  1. William Walker

    William Walker Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I have to say of the 22 yrs. of filmed boxing that there had been up to this point in 1919, that this was the wildest, most entertaining scrap I had seen. Of course, the opening round was of the most interest. Dempsey came out w/ a lot of good footwork, surprising in fact, and bobbing and weaving from time 2 time. But it only took Dempsey about a min. 2 drop the giant. Of course, once Willard was up, Dempsey was all over him. It turns out Dempsey had no trouble punching up and hit Willard w/ one big punch after another, hooks mostly. He stayed on top of Willard the whole time. Hitting him from the side, from behind, and even the moment Willard got up from a knockdown. After the seventh kd, the fight appeared 2 be declared over, and Dempsey and his corner, thinking they had won, left the ring, but then somebody ran 2 Dempsey's corner and shouted for Dempsey 2 come back. Dempsey did, and the beatdown progressed. The 2nd continued to be dominated by Dempsey, but the commentary was slightly biased. In reality, Willard was fighting back from time 2 time, often firing back w/ two good hooks at a time. In the 3rd, Willard's right cheek was covered in blood, but I couldn't tell where it came from. Willard didn't come out for the 4th. Thank God, Dempsey saved us from the clinchfest-era!

    Verdict: Great great fight. Excellent Dempsey performance. Wildly entertaining. A classic. Everybody should see this one-sided beatdown.
     
  2. William Walker

    William Walker Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Anything wrong w/ my own commentary @KasimirKid? lol

    What do you think of this fight?
     
  3. FrankinDallas

    FrankinDallas FRANKINAUSTIN

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    But....but...Willard was a fat, washed up rodeo cowboy. And Dempsey ducked Wills.
     
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  4. William Walker

    William Walker Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He wasn't fat.

    Did Dempsey duck Wills? yes.
     
  5. FrankinDallas

    FrankinDallas FRANKINAUSTIN

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    I'm being sarcastic but tomorrow someone will come in here an reiterate what I posted.
     
  6. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    He was not a washed up rodeo cowboy. He was a very successful rodeo cowboy.

    He was a many times retired boxer who was old and undertrained. He ll, I train harder than Willard did.
     
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  7. IsaL

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    Dempsey was an entertaining fighter in and out the ring. One of my all time favorite fighters.
     
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  8. William Walker

    William Walker Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    probably so
     
  9. KasimirKid

    KasimirKid Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Since you asked, I thought your analysis of the action was fine.

    It's a wildly entertaining match, but it takes two to make a great fight unless you enjoy the sport only for the pure gore of it all. Willard was not much competition. Even more than his physical condition, I don't think he had his head in the match. He was lazy and disinterested in boxing to begin with, and I think three full years of idleness caused him to forgot that mental preparation is as important as physical. He thought being champion and being a physically big man would be enough to defeat Dempsey. Neither he nor anyone else had ever faced anyone with the ferocity of Dempsey. To me, the fight is important more as the introduction to the world of a new style of aggressiveness than as a great fight per se. I think it advanced the sport not only by encouraging aggressiveness, but also by forcing "boxers" (as opposed to "fighters") to become more resourceful in order to counter the aggressiveness of a Dempsey-type fighter. If there hadn't been an aggressive fighter like Dempsey, then there would never had been a need for a boxer as clever as Gene Tunney, who combined the counterpunching St. Paul style of Mike Gibbons with a mobile brand of footwork. So together the chemistry of Dempsey and Tunney advanced the sport in two different ways and made it more exciting and interesting to watch.

    William, I should say I find your choice of topics interesting. I make it a policy to limit my contribution to threads about topics which interest me and about which I think I know something. You are trying to learn an awful lot of things in a very short time. I'm impressed with your energy and enthusiasm and your insights. However, since your topics often go to the core of why I am interested in the sport, I am especially vigilant in making suggestions when I think you might be going in the wrong direction. Please don't take my comments in the wrong way.
     
  10. William Walker

    William Walker Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    This
    Yeah, I'm not really trying to learn or share stuff too fast, deliberately at least. It's just that lately I watch boxing everyday, and my main goal 2 keep up w/ it has been 2 make threads about the ones I found interesting and wanted 2 gather others' thoughts on them. I do realize, intaking so much boxing and creating so many posts could be 2 fast, and in the case of 4 instance when u corrected me on the Johnson-Burns film, I could end up walking away w/ a lot of un-truths, or at least not appreciate certain things as much. I do intend 2 get back 2 my normal Friday-Saturday schedule tho.
    Thnx, but I haven't. I have appreciated it. Whereas some people use their passion for the sport, a particular boxer, or the truth of certain matters of boxing 2 be rude at the same time, I have found u only 2 be passionate, not rude or annoying. I have appreciated it entirely.
     
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  11. FrankinDallas

    FrankinDallas FRANKINAUSTIN

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    Didn't take you long to jump in here...your Dempsey phone app alerted you!
     
  12. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    No, it was my BS detector.
     
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  13. The G-Man

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    The most vicious performance ever seen in a boxing ring.
     
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  14. Unforgiven

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    It's an impressive film.
    All our lives are richer for its existence.
     
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  15. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    Tbh mate I think your approach is natural considering your age.

    You're young aren't you, so you're literally discovering new things in boxing all the time.

    After a while you'll probably settle on your favourite topics to discuss, but enjoy your enthusiasm whilst it's there, because believe me, at times following boxing can be quite a chore.
     
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