Was Roy Jones P4P a better fighter than Holyfield prime for prime?

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  1. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Jones was rated No.43 in a list of the greatest 50 p4p fighters of the last 50 years in 1996 by the ring magazine, Holy wa rated 44th in the same list, but which of these two was truly better than the other P4P?

    Jones info:
    Quality of competition: 5
    Bouts v top 50 fighters: 0
    Why he was on the list: He might have been the greatest ever, was a work in progress.
    What he could have done to better his ranking: If an ill-prepared James Toney turned out to be the best competition that was available, there would be nothing he could do about it.

    Holy info:
    Quality of competition: 7
    Bouts v top 50 fighters: 2
    Why he`s here: He`s the ultimate overachiever.
    What he could have done to better his ranking: Won the heavyweight title from Mike Tyson, and not Buster Douglas.
     
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  2. Bulldog24

    Bulldog24 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Mythical crap Mark.

    It’s not real.
     
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  3. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    You mean hypothetical right?
     
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  4. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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  5. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Check my avatar.
     
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  6. ETM

    ETM I thought I did enough to win. Full Member

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    It's Holyfield....at cruiserweight he was amazing.
     
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  7. Xplosive

    Xplosive Obsessed with Boxing banned Full Member

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    Yes.
     
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  8. kriszhao

    kriszhao Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    that list was from 1996 RJJ remained at top until 2004 8 years of wins after that besides Evan Fields is nothing but a steroid cheat just like Tarver and James Toney.
     
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  9. Jackstraw

    Jackstraw Mercy for me, justice for thee! Full Member

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    Mmmm...you do know that Roy tested positive for steroids, right?
     
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  10. Unforgiven

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    Pound-for-pound makes no sense really.

    They were both top class and great fighters in their primes at their best weights.
     
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  11. KidDynamite

    KidDynamite Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    This

    Pound for pound in general doesn't make sense. Weight class ranking and head to head are actually tangible. Pound for pound is just conjecture.
     
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  12. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Why doesn`t it make sense? I`m simply asking which fighter was better P4P because matching them head to head would be unfair to the much smaller Jones.
     
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  13. Unforgiven

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    Well, they were both outstanding great fighters in their primes, at different weights.
    Jones was great at 160 to 175.
    Holyfield was great at 190 to approx. 217.
    Head to head against greats their own size, in their primes, they'd do similarly well. And they'd rate similarly high against the men their own size.
     
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  14. Richmondpete

    Richmondpete Real fighters do road work Full Member

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    Jones is a natural 160-168 pound fighter and he was completely unbeatable there. Dare I say untestable. I rank Holyfield higher all time but there's little doubt as to who was more dominant
     
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  15. Sangria

    Sangria You bleed like Mylee Full Member

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    I think RJJ did better, yes. For a decade he rarely lost rounds and was similar to Pernell Whitaker in that fashion. For me, Holyfield struggled against too many opponents to rate him above RJJ. Both are ATG status and I rate RJJ the MVP outta the 2 ATGs.
     
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