Opinion, Wladimir is terrible style wise for Ali.

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  1. Drago

    Drago Member Full Member

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    + he was dropped by Alan Hudson in May 1960 in an amateur bout before the Olympics.
    Ali was 18, Hudson about 23:

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    Ali himself is the commentator.

    Ali: "He was a left hooker. He was knocking out everybody with left hooks."
     
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  2. Alexandrow Vids

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    Todays Heavyweights are either too fat or have too many muscles like Joshua
    and the best he could do was reduce his weight.
    Ali was the perfect mix between speed , power and stamina.

    Deontay Wilder in my opinion has the best body in todays Heavyweight devision
    that comes close to Ali but unfortunately not the boxing skills.
    Ali´s skills in Wilders body would be something.
     
  3. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    Holmes didn’t fight anyone decent in the 90’s?

    He fought Evander and Mercer.

    Ali was significantly faster than Haye.

    Fighters don’t become better as time goes on.
     
  4. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    Size is a factor. How significant depends on the clash of styles.
     
  5. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    If you think that Ali couldn’t have done anything in today’s HW division, you’re following the wrong sport.
     
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  6. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    It works both ways.

    Who’s Wlad seen like Ali?

    Fury psyched out Wlad before they fought.

    So what would Ali have done?

    Ali was the master of psychology.
     
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  7. Drago

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    I agree with you except for the fat marked about one factor:

    As much it is absolute true Ali was 66-67 in his prime, not in 70-75 or so, but it has become very ridicolous how much overrated some of his opponents are.

    Wlad would kill Terrell inside 5 rounds. Ali fans always try to make guys like Chuvalo, Quarry, Bonavena etc. bigger as they actually were.
    Foreman, Frazier and Liston were true Greats, Patterson too, but as overrated the Klitschko brothers are from time to time, as much underrated are they some times.

    Chuvalo, Terrell, Folley, Cooper, Mildenberger, Brian London, etc. etc., not one of them would have been favorite against the brothers, not against Vitali and not aganst Wlad.

    As a German i would say a 2004-2005 Luan Krasniqi was almost the best german Heavyweight from all except for Schmeling, a Schulz from the Foreman fight vs Krasniqi would be an awesome matchup...and i am not sure who would win.
    Mildenberger was an unorthodox southpaw, but he lacks great punching power.

    What i mean is:

    I believe Ali would beat Wlad very certain. But Wlad has all time punching power in HW when it comes to one punch KO power, Terrell had nothing all time status in any department.

    Wlad 2002 or 2011 vs Terrell 1967 -> Terrell ends like this since he has no reach, size or speed advantage over Wlad:

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  8. Toney F*** U

    Toney F*** U Boxing junkie Full Member

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    Fury didn’t even psych him out. Wlad seemed completely cool the entire time
     
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  9. Loudon

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    Trying to point score by comparing Sanders and Banks is pointless.

    None of it is relevant.

    They were both completely different fighters to each other, who both fought pre-prime versions of Ali and Wlad.
     
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  10. Drago

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    Fury was hurt by Cunningham, yes.

    But when did AJ and Vitali get really hurt by avarage size/weight HWs?

    Byrd looked good against Vitali in the later rounds, yes. But he didnt hurt him.

    AJ was hurt and defeated by Ruiz jr,. but the guy weights much more then 210-225 lb. Whyte is also heavier.
     
  11. Loudon

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    Of course he psyched him out.

    Both inside and outside of the ring.

    He made Wlad lose his temper and swear.

    He made him shave his hair.

    He made him tentative in the fight, where he fell for every feint and wouldn’t let his hands go.

    Wlad would have had a nightmare with Ali’s character and movement.
     
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  12. Bigcheese

    Bigcheese Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Well Ruiz isn't bringing any power or reach advantage over an average size elite heavyweight that's for sure. Vitali wasn't hurt to the best of my knowledge but his resume is pretty low on quality. He may not get knocked out, but I could absolutely see him getting outboxed by an elite average size heavyweight.
     
  13. Toney F*** U

    Toney F*** U Boxing junkie Full Member

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    I don’t think Wlad swearing means he’s psyched out, he was literally cool the entire time. Also are you forgetting that Wlad was overly cautious in so many other fights
     
  14. Man_Machine

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    There's a difference between being "overly cautious", whilst winning rounds, and being cautious to the point of being a non-participant.
     
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  15. Loudon

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    He wasn’t cool in the pressers.

    Go and remind yourself of what happened.

    In the ring, it was rinse and repeat.

    A mental blockage where he couldn’t adapt.

    Banks was telling him to be aggressive and to let his hands go, yet he couldn’t.

    A younger, more vulnerable version of Wlad would have been more dangerous to Ali.
     
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