Muhammad Ali vs top 80s heavyweights

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  1. Showstopper97

    Showstopper97 The Icon Full Member

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    How does Prime Ali fare against:
    Holmes
    Weaver
    Tate
    Page
    Coetzee
    Dokes
    Snipes
    Witherspoon
    Tubbs
    Thomas
    Berbick
    Tyson
    Tucker
    Cooney
    Holyfield
    Bruno
    Williams
    Biggs
    Damiani

     
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  2. catchwtboxing

    catchwtboxing Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I usually hate hyperbole, but I will bet he could beat 3-4 or them on the same night.
     
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  3. joebeadg

    joebeadg Well-Known Member Full Member

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    holmes witherspoon tubbs cooney holyfeild would be a problem for him
     
  4. KidDynamite

    KidDynamite Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Honestly I only see Tyson, Holmes and Tucker giving him problems. Maybe Holyfield.

    Tyson has the best chance here.

    Ali vs Tyson is honestly the greatest matchup in boxing history. It would easily crush all viewership, gate, and purse records ... And without doubt be one of the greatest shows ever. 50/50 with Iron Mike Tyson.
     
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  5. Richard M Murrieta

    Richard M Murrieta Now Deceased 2/4/25 Full Member

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    I think a peak Muhammad Ali, 1964-1967 defeats all the listed heavyweights, too much speed, great footwork, unending stamina, this version did not Rope A Dope, catlike reflexes, and could get into an opponents head. The only competition I see would be a peak Mike Tyson. Gerry Cooney would trip over his feet trying to met the butterfly. But the 1970's version as I said was too vulnerable, got his jaw busted by a peak Ken Norton in 1973 and was decked by Smoking Joe Frazier in 1971. The peak Ali never hit the deck as champion, also never lost his title in the ring, it was stripped from him in 1967.
     
  6. Bigcheese

    Bigcheese Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Prime Holmes is 50/50 imo. Holy and Tyson have a chance as well
     
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  7. robert ungurean

    robert ungurean Богдан Philadelphia Full Member

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    Holmes is the only pick em fight. He beats the rest
     
  8. Reinhardt

    Reinhardt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Holmes is the only one and if were talking the 1967 version of Ali I'd favor Ali 60-40
     
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  9. Mr Butt

    Mr Butt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Holmes for me beats Ali , Holmes had the better jab

    Tyson would be a great fight and I think Ali comes out on top

    The others I think Ali beats maybe one or two cause him a few problems but he beats them
     
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  10. El Gallo Negro

    El Gallo Negro Active Member banned Full Member

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    loses badly to Holmes and Tyson, beats most of the rest. Berbick would be a 50/50 fight but I think Clay beats him .
    Michael Spinks another interesting matchup, I could see him getting underneath Clay's skin, I remember Chuck Wepner getting under Clay's skin and he didnt like it one bit, if Wepner wasnt such limited fighter he probably could had Clay in a lot if trouble.

    I dont think Cooney would fare well against Clay though, not at all
     
  11. Titan1

    Titan1 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He beats all of them, though a prime Page would be interesting for several factors: ability, speed, chin, versatility.
     
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  12. djanders

    djanders Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I think Holyfield is his biggest problem, on that list, for a prime Ali. (I know. I rate Holy higher than most do.) Tyson is another problem, early in the fight, but I think a prime Ali prevails as Tyson tires late. Ali has too much speed for the rest, including Holmes.
     
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  13. Richard M Murrieta

    Richard M Murrieta Now Deceased 2/4/25 Full Member

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    Peak Muhammad Ali, 1964-1967, as champion never got decked, never lost his title in the ring. Stripped of his title for not participating in a useless war that was supported by a warmongering president that did so for economical purposes.
     
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  14. KidDynamite

    KidDynamite Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    For those picking Holmes over Tyson, is not Tyson a tougher opponent style wise than Holmes?

    Iron chinned, elusive, counter puncher with immense speed and power in both hands. Also threw a monster left hook, something Ali showed vulnerability too.
     
  15. Richard M Murrieta

    Richard M Murrieta Now Deceased 2/4/25 Full Member

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    As I have mentioned on several posts, Muhammad Ali in his first title reign, 1964-1967 was never decked by any left hook thrown by his nine challengers, from Sonny Liston through Zora Folley. Ali never lost his title in the ring, it was stripped from him in 1967. Prior to winning the title in 1964, he was decked by Sonny Banks in 1962, and by Henry Cooper, first fight in 1963. He also was decked by Smoking Joe Frazier in 1971, after 18 rounds of fighting, following his 43 month banishment from boxing.