Why are we so biased/obsessed with old fighters/era's

I challenge you to even define what 'ebbs and flows' means with relation to the supposed cessation of the evolution of boxing ...

how privileged and entitled of you to assume that boxing remains the only sport in our country which has not evolved,

all sports are in a constant state of evolution, simply because competition along any means is in itself a fight to evolve. those that adapt and evolve move forward and those thsy dont get left behind. it's like that with everything in life.

I have already provided you multiple examples on this and other threads on how fighters have evolved. and all you ever reply is 'youre ignorant, boxing stopped evolving, it just ebbs and flows'

ok genius, educate us then, wtf is 'ebbing and flowing' if there is no evolution in sports?

we're all dying to know

 

great and overlooked point

 

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Because they were REAL not marketing creations. They talked trash like today’s fighters but eventually fought their opponents. And they fought frequently. Today’s fighters, too many of them, find creative excuses to avoid real opponents. Crawford is a prime example. He hasn’t fought a top five welter since moving to the weight. Might not be his fault but how can I rate him above guys in the last who only fought the best and did it several times a year?

 

Yeah.
Prime example: Pulev, 39 y.o vs A.J not Usyk 34 y.o vs A.J.
Okey, there only difference IBF or WBO tittles etc small things.

 

Might not be. there so much different ppl in business chain, to tell that only boxer is guilty is ridiculous too, I agree.

 

My point was the game was different in the past. . Guys couldn’t hide like they do today. Somehow the best guys usually fought the other best guys in their weight class. There were still mismatches but it was less obvious because they fought frequently. This is why I have more respect for the previous generations. Of course most of them retired penniless with their brains scrambled so it wasn’t perfect. Hopefully boxing will find a happy medium and force top fighters to face top opponents.

 

Maybe some remainings had left in WBSS.
Dorticos in WBSS I.
Dorticos had been noticed after he had won WBA World tittle in fight vs 31 y.o guy ( before fight vs Dorticos this guy had 21-1-0 pro record with 21 KOs ). Dorticos won this fight with impressive stoppage.
1/2 final fight: Dorticos vs 24 y.o Gassiev for WBA and IBF world tittles and right to compete in final for Ali trophy.
Nice, unpredictable outcome fight.
Undefeated 31.y.o Dorticos with 22-0-0 ( 21KOs) record vs undefeated 24 y.o Gassiev with 25-0-0 (18KOs) record.
Yes, Dorticos had lost this one. Does this means that he is bad boxer? Don't we wish to see competitive, close matchups?
Dorticos in WBSS II.
Again we had unpredictale outcome fights with Dorticos.
Tabiti had defeated 27 y.o dude with 23-0-0 ( 16KOs ) record and advanced to 1/2 final fight vs Dorticos.
Fight for IBF World tittle and rights to fight in WBSS final for Ali trophy.
33. y.o Dorticos, boxer with record 23-1-0 ( 21 KOs) vs 29 y.o Tabiti with record 17-0-0 ( 13 KOs ).
Cool fight, there is WBSS semi final and fight for tittle, 2 in 1.
Dorticos gave us to see nice and impressive fight. He again managed to get World tittle, this time not WBA but IBF tittle.

Okey, he had to fight vs Briedis for Ali trophy and to place his IBF tittle on line too.
Briedis if in best his shape is horrible to fight with. For me he looked like in normal/ good shape but not his best version.
Dorticos lost this fight.
Was this unpredictable fight? Yeah, especially if not possible to tell shape this Briedis does have.
He is considerably worse opponent than younger version of Pulev if he is in good shape.

Guys, who here had gave him credit for this one? Briedis does not hit less hard than Povetkin if had landed.
This is proven because both of them had fought Charr and videos are easily available for free.
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Yeah, I understand you.

 

Judo hasn't evolved. Karate hasn't evolved. Wrestling hasn't evolved. Fencing hasn't evolved.. Do you see a trend here?

 

It's not like in the past the best fought the best, and ducking was unheard of.

Remember Lewis and Bowe? What a huge fight that would have been - but it never happened.

Neither did Sanchez - Pedroza, who were the two top featherweights at one time.

Also Palomino - Cuevas was a big one we missed.

Just as we were cheated out of Conteh - Galindez as well.

And if we go further back in time, we have Archie Moore being a top ranked contender for 10 long years, before finally getting his long overdue title shot. LaMotta was also kept away from the world title - until he agreed to throw a fight in order to get a title shot. And Liston was kept out in the cold for several years - until Patterson (or Cus) could duck him no more.

Even further back, in the 1920s, there were champions hiding behind the ND rule - which meant, they would keep their crown as long as they finished on their feet, no matter how badly they were beaten.

So ducking and evading the most dangerous opponents isn't a new thing - it has happened all throughout boxing history.

 

You sound like some casual fan from social media.

I have already AGREED with you that the sport has EVOLVED.

Reread my posts.

It has CLEARLY evolved from his roots.

However, it does not keep evolving over time.

The fighters don’t keep getting better do they?

The sport plateaued a long time ago.

There’s been no overall progression over the last 30-40 years.

Boxing doesn’t keep getting better every decade.

The fighters don’t keep getting better every decade.

Today’s group of HW’s are not regarded by anyone as the greatest group of HW’s of all time.

Today’s group of MW’s aren’t regarded by anyone as the greatest group of MW’s of all time.

Today’s group of JMW’s aren’t regarded by anyone as the greatest group of JMW’s of all time.

Need I go on?

Today’s group of MW’s aren’t on another level from the MW’s of the 00’s.

The MW’s of the 00’s weren’t on another level to the MW’s of the 90’s.

They don’t just keep evolving and getting better.

We can’t assume that in 10 years time, that the guys in ANY of the divisions are going to be better than what they are today.

Now how do you NOT UNDERSTAND that?

Sometimes the divisions are super strong. Sometimes they are much weaker than in previous eras. And sometimes they’re just average.

How long have you been watching boxing to not realise this??

The current LHW division is thriving. It’s stronger than it’s been for years.

The current CW division is thriving. It’s stronger than it’s been for years.

Yet the current MW, SMW and JMW divisions are nowhere near as strong/good as what they once were years ago.

The current MW and SMW divisions are much WEAKER than what they were 25-30 years ago.

Who is going to disagree with that?

Who is going to claim that today’s top 10 MW’s are a better group of fighters than the group from the early 90’s?

Nobody.

Nobody is going to claim that today’s MW’s are better than the group from the early 90’s.

Which is CRYSTAL CLEAR PROOF that boxing does not keep evolving over time.

The fighters in today’s SMW division are NOT a better group of fighters than the group of SMW’s from 25-30 years ago.

That means that there has been ZERO PROGRESSION in that division.

In the mid 90’s, the SMW division was strong. It then got weaker. It then picked up with the era of the Super 6. And now it’s got weaker again. Over the last 25-30 years, it has ebbed and flowed. It has not just got better and better with each decade, where fans can all agree that today’s SMW’s are the greatest group of SMW’s there’s ever been. And it’s been the same across a number of divisions.

The sport has ebbed and flowed for years now.

All you have to do is to do some comparisons.

We’re now just heading into 2021.

These were the best HW’s 30 years ago:

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwjxmNuiyuftAhXEQUEAHY0HCfoQFjAAegQIBhAC&url=https://boxrec.com/media/index.php/The_Ring_Magazine%27s_Annual_Ratings:_1991&usg=AOvVaw0oFkyc_gBY8doK0rMeaj0u

Where is the progression after 30 years?

IMHO, Tyson Fury is a great fighter who could compete in any era due to his speed, style and skills. But as a group, today’s top 10 guys are no better than those HW’s above.

List me today’s top 10 guys that includes AJ, Parker, Ruiz, Pulev, Whyte and Wilder etc, and then tell me that they’re head and shoulders above those guys above.

You can’t, because they’re not.

The overall progression over time DOESN’T EXIST.

There is zero proof that the HW’s in 20 years time are going to be better than the HW’s of the early 90’s or of today. There’s no proof of that whatsoever. And anybody who’s just going to blindly assume that they will be, just due to the recorded times in athletics, is a complete and utter idiot.

Now if you don’t agree with what I’ve said, then we can actually compare a number of divisions separately to discuss them.

 

Yeah and laughable are fatass stupid dumbasses in forums: it is a pro! Listen their fat fingers are typing their truth.
While the same disrespected and hated ammies fight vs any one they had given to fight with.
Without A side clauses and stupid fat obesse pro boxing fans.
Yes, obesse and fat smartasse shits in forums.

 

of course judo and wrestling has evolved what are you talking about.

 

wow you made my point even more!
remember back in the early days of the UFC, when it was one style vs another? like a boxer vs a wrestler, or a juicy jitsu guy against a muy thai fighter?
it was basically one style vs another (I actually thought the fights were more interesting that way)
well over the last 15 years the UFC has gone mainstream, and now all the fighters incorporate a little bit of ALL those disciplines. they work on their standup, they work their BJJ, they work their ground and pound.
fighters that just stuck to one discipline dont even exist anymore because they would get left in the dust.
perfect example: Royce Gracie. he dominated the early days of UFC, then came back in 2005 to face Matt Hughes and got absolutely mutilated

 

right off the bat, any fighter that thrived during a time when boxing was mostly segregated would have a very tough time adjusting to more recent eras where black and brown fighters started dominating......and A LOT of greats from the past fall into that category