the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread.

Marco Antonio Barrera - Erik Morales III

Round 1 10-9
Round 2 9-10
Round 3 10-9
Round 4 10-9
Round 5 10-9*
Round 6 10-9
Round 7 9-10
Round 8 9-10
Round 9 10-9
Round 10 9-10
Round 11 9-10*
Round 12 10-9
115 - 113

Mind wasn't on the fight during rounds 5 and 11, too tired to go back and rescore but thought I may aswell finish the trilogy.

 

Jimmy Paul W15 Cubanito Perez

First, very tough fight to score. I'd love to see the cards of the resident experts here. Excellent action, with a real "which style do you prefer" conundrum in it.

Paul deserves more credit for this win than I remember him getting at the time. This was the fight when the magazines started wondering if his slip was showing. They were right for a change. Paul looked weight-drained as the fight progressed, but he showed a big fighting heart by digging in and battling hard down the stretch.

Perez, for his part, was more messy stylistically. All gangly arms and legs, flinging wide shots from every angle.......he was not pretty to watch.

Perez would throw his long right over the top and Paul did his patented little shoulder roll and kean away from almost all of them, but Perez landed well with the jab and countered well with hard rights downstairs. He responded with furious if messy flurries every time Paul started to take control with his more even, stylish jab/ right hand combos. Here's how I had it.

1. Perez
2. Perez
3. Paul
4. Paul
5. Paul
6. Paul
7. Paul
8. Perez
9. Paul
10. Perez
11. Perez
12. Paul
13. Even
14. Perez
15. Even

144-143 Paul

Kind of disappointed with myself for awarding not one but two even rounds late like that, but rounds 12 through 15 were really close and particularly savage, fought in close quarters. Very tough fight to score, and as Gil Clancy said, you hated for either of them to lose.

 

Charlo vs Derevyanchenko

Charlo: 1,3,6,7,8,9,11
Derevyanchenko: 2,4,10, 12

116-112 Charlo

There are a few close rounds but overall I think Charlo prevailed with the harder and more effective connects. There were rounds with close totals of landed punches but Charlos seemed to have a real effect. I have been slow to rate Charlo and have labeled him as sort of a Wilder type with big power but questionable fundamentals. In this fight he jabbed well, countered well, and showed a good varied punch set. My opinion of him has improved

 

Jimmy Paul - Cubanito Perez

Round 1 Paul
Round 2 Perez
Round 3 Paul
Round 4 Paul
Round 5 Perez
Round 6 Paul
Round 7 Paul
Round 8 Paul
Round 9 Perez
Round 10 Perez
Round 11 Paul
Round 12 Perez
Round 13 Paul
Round 14 Paul
Round 15 Paul

 

Looks like we only agreed on 7 rounds there. It was that kind of fight. Wouldn't be surprised to see more variance assuming others chime in.

 

Checked out two light heavyweight title fights from the 80s today. The first was:

Michael Spinks v Johnny Davis

Round 1: 10-10 Even
Round 2: 10-9 Davis
Round 3: 10-10 Even
Round 4: 10-9 Spinks
Round 5: 10-9 Spinks
Round 6: 10-9 Spinks
Round 7: 10-9 Spinks
Round 8: 10-8 Spinks (scores a knockdown)
Round 9: Spinks stops Davis

Total through 8 completed rounds: 79-74 Spinks (actual scores: 79-74, 79-73 and 78-73 all for Spinks)

I 'mis-remembered' this fight. I thought it was a close one when it was stopped, but actually I had Spinks running away with it, with the only close rounds being the first 3. Spinks performed a real finishing job on Davis in the 9th.

Matthew Saad Muhammad v Vonzell Johnson

Round 1: 10-9 Johnson
Round 2: 10-9 Johnson
Round 3: 10-9 Johnson
Round 4: 10-9 Johnson
Round 5: 10-9 Johnson
Round 6: 10-8 Saad (scores a knockdown)
Round 7: 10-9 Saad
Round 8: 10-9 Saad
Round 9: 10-10 Even
Round 10: 10-9 Saad
Round 11: Saad stops Johnson

Total through 10 completed rounds: 95-95 (actual scores: 97-93 and 98-92 both for Saad and a 95-95 Even)

Johnson just could not keep up the pace he had set for himself. He gave it his all in the 9th, but he was coming apart at the seams and Saad ended matters in the 11th. BTW, that knockdown for Johnson in the 6th was pure BS. Another of Tony Perez' mistakes to add to his long list.

 

Hi Scar,

Here's how I had these two fights:

Michael Spinks v Johnny Davis

As a spectator, Spinks is a puzzle to me. His style is arrhythmic - when he chooses to attack or back off and defend seem almost arbitrary to me. It makes him awkward to watch and obviously made him awkward to fight. His opponents can seem to be doing quite well in a round then a well-timed flurry steers things his way. If you'll excuse the anachronism, it's almost Mayweather-esque.

Spinks has a tendency to start slow and that is the case here, losing the first couple of rounds to Davis' superior activity. He only starts to take control from the end of the 4th round and despite taking five of the first 7 rounds, they are all competitive. The knockdown in the 8th changed that.

Davis fought well, trying to apply steady pressure throughout the 3 minutes whereas Spinks attacked in short bursts. The problem for Davis was that Spinks' attacks looked - and were - more damaging. Slowly but perceptibly Spinks took over and by the start of the 9th, it was over.

1 9-10
2 9-10
3 10-9 (close)
4 10-9 (good flurry at the end by Spinks to take it)
5 10-9
6 10-9
7 10-9 (close)
8 10-8 (Davis down)
(78-73)
9 Spinks TKO Davis

Matthew Saad Muhammad v Vonzell Johnson

Saad comes from behind to stop challenger - that's never been written before!

In truth, this wasn't the high drama of a Pops Johnson or Yaqui Lopez comeback but Saad trying to figure out an awkward challenger who used his obvious edges in height and reach to his advantage (seriously, how does a 6ft 4inch well-built fighter like him fit into 175lbs on a same day weigh in?) before Saad managed to turn it into a slug fest in round 9 and swing the fight firmly his way.

Johnson was a good challenger but Saad showed his mental strength as ever to pressure him into the fight he couldn't win.

1 9-10 (close)
2 9-10 (Saad trying to close the gap but Vonzell controlling from the outside with his jab)
3 9-10 (close)
4 10-9
5 9-10
6 10-9 (bogus knockdown call from ref)
7 9-10
8 10-9 (Johnson is putting up an excellent challenge but Saad landed well at the end to edge it)
9 10-10 (best action of the fight)
10 10-9 (Saad closing the gap literally and figuratively)
(95-96)
11 Saad TKO Johnson (genuine knockdown this time followed by overzealous refereeing to stop the fight)

 

Jel, comprehensive synopsis on both fights. Well done.

 

Yeah, I need to do a few more like that - just been watching fights over this Christmas period and scoring them but nothing else in terms of analysis.

To be honest, I've been struggling a bit to get into the stuff I've been watching. Might watch some of my old favourites over the next few days just to rekindle the spark.

 

"Try as you might, fights you find nearly impossible to score the same way twice?"

As I was laying in bed for way too many hours this AM, completely unable to fall asleep, the question/topic up above came to mind, and I thought that it might provide me, and maybe some other semi-lurkers like myself, with some interesting answers and also at the same time provide me, and maybe those other same semi-lurkers with some good suggestions on fights to watch that I may've not seen or been aware of and their being possibly worth seeing at some point, like maybe the next time I lay in bed in the middle of the night unable to fall asleep thinking about random boxing questions to ask y'all here in "the what fights did you watch/scorecard thread" gang. It is probably a question that has been asked multiple times in this thread or the classic boxing forum itself, and I apologize if that is the case.

 

Watched a couple of Oba Carr fights today. Always liked him. A fast, clean puncher who was unlucky enough to meet 3 top class champs in his 3 title fights. I have seen the Trinidad fight but did not see the Randall fight. Here we go.

Felix Trinidad v Oba Carr

Round 1: 10-10 Even
Round 2: 10-8 Carr (scores a knockdown)
Round 3: 10-9 Trinidad
Round 4: 10-9 Trinidad
Round 5: 10-9 Trinidad
Round 6: 10-9 Trinidad
Round 7: 10-9 Trinidad
Round 8: Carr is dropped twice and stopped by Trinidad

Total through 7 completed rounds: 68-65 Trinidad (actual scores: 68-65, 68-64 for Trinidad and a 66-66 Even card)

A beautiful fight but slowly Trinidad worked his way into the fight and was getting the range on a very sharp Carr before the seams burst in the 8th. Good fight.

Oba Carr v Frankie Randall

Round 1:10-9 Carr
Round 2: 10-9 Carr
Round 3: 10-10 Even
Round 4: 10-9 Carr
Round 5: 10-9 Carr
Round 6: 10-9 Carr
Round 7: 10-8 Carr (a knockdown by Randall is disallowed and Randall is penalized a point for hitting and dropping Carr on the break)
Round 8: 10-9 Carr
Round 9: 10-10 Even
Round 10: 10-9 Carr

Total: 100-91 Carr (actual scores: 97-92, 97-92 and 99-90 all for Carr. Harold Lederman had it 98-91 Carr)

Although, IMO, Carr didn't look the sharpest here, he just had too much for a now-aging Randall, who really tried, but the body was found wanting. Carr received a promised title shot against ODLH for this win.

 

Watched Carr vs Quartey the other day myself. He really was unfortunate. I thought he was a very good fighter, but he suffered the same fate as the other two I lump together, Alberto Davila and Ruben Castillo. Horrible luck with who they came up against in their title shots.

On another note, I’m gonna have to sit down and actually score (draaaaag, dude) the first Barrera/Morales fight. When watching it recently I felt Morales was clearly the better fighter, but that differs from so many that I feel outside forces maybe messed with objectivity. More likely, I just missed too much action dealing with issues at home and the like while the fight was playing.

 

Having to watch Barrera-Morales again? What a bummer, dude. LOL! Good luck with that.

 

BTW, Bujia, here was my card on that fight. It was very close. I should sit down and 'suffer' like you and score their 2nd and 3rd fights as well.

Erik Morales v MAB I

Round 1: 10-9 Morales
Round 2: 10-9 MAB
Round 3: 10-10 Even
Round 4: 10-9 MAB
Round 5: 10-9 Morales
Round 6: 10-9 Morales
Round 7: 10-9 Morales
Round 8: 10-9 MAB
Round 9: 10-9 MAB
Round 10: 10-9 Morales
Round 11: 10-9 MAB
Round 12: 10-8 MAB (the knockdown was clearly bogus, but it counts)

Total: 115-113 MAB

 

Here was mine:

Rd. EM : MAB (Total)
1. 10 : 9
2. 10 : 9
3. 9 : 10
4. 9 : 10 (38-38)
5. 10 : 9
6. 9 : 10
7. 9 : 10
8. 9 : 10 (75-77)
9. 10 : 9
10. 10 : 9
11. 9 : 10
12. 8 : 10 (112-115)

I always thought the third was the closest. Scored that 115-113 for Morales. Although El Terriblé is one of my all-time favourites, and I've never liked Barrera.