What was your score for Hagler vs. Duran

The idea that Marvin Hagler, in his 62nd professional fight, in his 8th defence of the undisputed world middleweight title, in his 10th year as a professional, was somehow "awe struck" by sharing a ring with Roberto Duran is an absolutely "ridiculous notion".

 

I seriously doubt Foreman was drugged in Zaire.
Not sure if you've really become so unintelligent but you have a great knack of misunderstanding, but perhaps you do it deliberately.

 

There's a vast difference between knowing that some fights are not on the level, and to infer without any evidence that this is the case every time you don't much care for the result.

 

That was not what you said, though. You agreed that Hagler hel back because he wanted a lucrative rematch "or something similar".

That's what HonThomas reacted to and it's easy to follow, so it's a bit silly to try and make it into something else.

 

You definitely declared yourself to be "open to the possibility that Foreman was drugged in Zaire". One can just go to the thread and verify that. Why even pretend something different?

A direct quote:

"D!ck Sadler was very possibly a shady character.
No one knows if Foreman was drugged in that fight or not but it's not completely out of the question."

 

Not sure what you are referring to.
I don't "not care for" results. Results and just results. Fights are just fights. Performances are there on film and we can judge them ourselves.

It seems it's fine and dandy for anyone to say "Hagler was star struck", "Hagler was intimidated by Duran's name" or whatever, without any evidence, just making bold claims about the inner workings of Hagler's mind ..... but if I say "I think perhaps Hagler carried him for business reasons", you act like I'm a ranting madman and going around saying I shouldn't be taken seriously .... how does that make sense ?
Both claims are complete guesswork, based on looking at the fight but without any solid PROOF, so why react so strongly against my opinion ?
Take it or leave it.

 

I've often said Marvin Hagler carried Duran for business reasons.
I have no wish to deny that or make it in to something else.

 

Why keep accusing me of "pretending otherwise" ?
I haven't pretended otherwise.

I stand by that statement.
I don't know much about D!ck Sadler. What do you know about him ?

Yes, I'm open to all sorts of possibilities. I don't pretend to know things I can't possibly know. What's wrong with that ?

 

Bokaj I take back what I said about you misunderstanding.
I thought perhaps you misunderstood a lot of things said on the other Foreman in Zaire thread, because you seemed there to be arguing against things I hadn't said. But here you are correct, I am open to the possibilities, as per usual.

 

9-5-1 Hagler

Duran performed well, but I don’t think it was as close as the judges had it.

Same thing with Duran’s loss to Benitez, I don’t know why the judges had it so close.

 

Marvin Hagler v Roberto Duran

Here are my views and scorecard on this oft debated fight. Did Hagler win comfortably or was it in the balance going into the final round? Did Hagler get it tactically wrong or was he just in with an all-time great, a clever fighter who would give most fighters trouble when he was on his A game?

I had Hagler 9-5-1 in rounds. The first 4 rounds were very cagey and I can see people giving Duran a bigger share of the rounds than I did. Things heated up from the 5th round on and I thought Hagler had his best period of the fight in the middle rounds before things started to turn in Duran's favour from around the 10th. Going into the final two rounds I had it 7-5-1 to Hagler and in truth, he was always ahead on my card. Had Duran been able to carry the momentum that extra couple of rounds, there could have been an upset, but Hagler upped his work rate and Duran couldn't match it. A highly competitive fight but a clear (though never comfortable) win for Hagler in my opinion.

1 10-9 (very cagey opener, Hagler slightly busier)
2 9-10 (close again - Hagler starts well and seems in control before Duran starts countering him with right hands towards the end of the round and just nicks it from Marvelous)
3 10-9 (very close)
4 10-9 (not a lot of action)
5 9-10 (best round of the fight so far. Close but felt Duran just nicked it)
6 10-9 (good round, Hagler with the better, more sustained action)
7 10-9
8 10-9
9 10-9 (bit of a slower round, Hagler just busier)
10 10-10 (Marvin busier but Duran countering well. Pick 'em round)
11 9-10 (Marvin decides to bounce around on the outside and gives Duran a respite. Duran counters Hagler coming in and edges the round)
12 9-10 (good round and arguably Duran's best of the fight. Hagler switches tactics and goes straight to Duran in this round but misses a lot due to some superb head movement from Roberto who counters him with right hands. He's having fun in there and is starting to close the points gap.)
13 9-10 (close round but Duran looked in control, using the head bobs and using the jab to lead and keep Hagler at bay whilst still scoring with the counter right)
14 10-9 (Duran snarls but Hagler outworks him over the last minute to take his first round since the 9th)
15 10-9 (good final round action as Hagler takes it to Duran and again outworks him to cement his win)

Hagler 145-141 Duran

 

Hagler 10-5 or 9 - 6.
If you have Hagler by a point you don't know how to score boxing sorry.

 

I thought I had it closer but watched it again this afternoon. 10-5 hagler.

 

Great job there, Jel

 

Nice card and description Jel.