Who should belong in the Hall of Fame?

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by HDmexiqtioner, Jan 1, 2021.


  1. HDmexiqtioner

    HDmexiqtioner Member Full Member

    139
    209
    Sep 1, 2020
    In consideration of who should be in the Boxing Hall of Fame, I strongly believe there has been a growing bias as of late in regards to those who had made contributions to the sport in ways that are more important than the titles they carried or the records that they possessed.

    I maybe listed as a "fanboy" who is passionate for the recognition for these key figures of the sport, but I believe in credit where credit is due. Because with what some of these boxers done during their time may not have been GOAT status for their careers, but it should be addressed nonetheless.

    There are obvious people that are recently retired that are coming to the Hall of Fame, that is a guarantee. The Roy Jones Jr, Bernard Hopkins, Wladimir Klitschkos are obvious for their longevity and recent departures from the sport on a very high quality record.

    But what about the outliers? Those who didn't achieve that grand status but still were seen as a Champion in their own right for the sport.

    Who are people not in the Hall of Fame that you think should receive Hall of Fame status?


    For me those who should be admitted and why include:

    Vernon Forrest (41-3-0 1NC (29 KO) - As an amateur having a 225-16 record, being a former Olympian of 1992's Boxing Team, a 3 Division World Champion, Lineal Welterweight Champion, and Fighter of the Year for 2002. His charity works both in and out the boxing ring was something that people are mostly unknown about helping out troubled youth and fighting hunger. Criminally underrated as a boxer and in my opinion during 2002 there was no better welterweight at the time and would have given any welterweight in history a tough time. Him being a crisp tactician who developed his fundamentals in order to be a calculating counter puncher and ring generalship. His last victory was in 2008 in a dominating performance against Contender winner Sergio Mora and was on the verge of a late career comeback. The Viper is a darkhorse of the welterweight division who I strongly believe that should be honored with his legacy and talent.

    David Tua (52-5-2 (43 KO) - The Samoan Tuamanator is one that might cause some diverse opinions. Although he was in the "always the bridesmaid" status, I believe that his representation for the little island nation should be acknowledged. In his over 20 year boxing career, he was a Former Bronze Medalist, Record holder for most punches thrown in a heavyweight fight. Although never holding a major title outright, the titles he did gain were of very good standing and the times he did challenge for the title especially against Lennox Lewis shows that he can give anyone a tough time and you have to outwork Tua to earn a victory against him. And apparently there were talks between Wlad and Tua in 2008 but never finalized, and I would have loved to have seen what would happen. Now he is training youth and being a large advocate for anti-bullying. To me, Tua is one of the best heavyweights never to have won a title and the best boxer from Samoa. I believe that Tua will be a name that will be on people's minds for a while and his unique upbringing and career being a standout.

    Gerald McClellan (34-3 (29 KO) - One that I am not surprised that more people are championing as one of the best punchers and middleweights that was taken from his prime due to a tragic result from a great contest between Nigel Benn that became tarnished by a horrible outcome. Out of 29 KOs 20 were in the first round. A 2-time Middleweight Champion. At his last bout being at 28 years old being cut down in his prime, I believe that he would have reached being one of the greats of the Middleweight and Super Middleweight divisions. Would have loved to see what him and Hopkins would have done against each other.

    Theodore Roosevelt (Observer Category) - Why the President of the United States? Well due to the fact that Roosevelt was a huge proponent for the Sweet Science before before, during, and after the United States legalized the sport. A member of Harvard's Boxing Team, and while being Governor of New York, organized and founded boxing clubs to help troubled youth. Roosevelt could be known as the "First American Mixed Martial Artist" in his practices in not just boxing, but also Jiu Jitsu, Judo, and Wrestling. During his presidency, Roosevelt even hosted Boxing exhibitions and sparring sessions in the White House itself. It was reported that Roosevelt encouraged that any challenger that would do their best and never underperform against him because he wanted to challenge himself. For me this is the biggest surprise that Teddy Roosevelt never been inducted and I would always state a case for him to be in the Hall of Fame.

    Just my 2 cents. Thanks.
     
  2. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

    51,079
    25,181
    Jan 3, 2007
    Good thread. I like your proposals in Vernon forest and Gerald McClellan. Not sure about David Tua but there have been worse people inducted in the HOF
     
    ron davis likes this.
  3. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

    27,130
    44,897
    Mar 3, 2019
    Leagues and leagues of fighters.

    Ernesto Marcel is one which is real sore for me. Literally one of the greatest featherweights to ever live.
     
  4. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

    71,571
    27,215
    Feb 15, 2006
    Primo Carnera should be in by any logical measure.

    If he is as good as his proponents say, then there is nothing to argue.

    If he is as bad as his detractors say, then he has still got it on historical impact!
     
    Bukkake and The Slaps like this.
  5. Thread Stealer

    Thread Stealer Loyal Member Full Member

    41,963
    3,441
    Jun 30, 2005
    Donald Curry

    Diego Corrales
     
    The Slaps likes this.
  6. sweetsci

    sweetsci Well-Known Member Full Member

    1,880
    1,832
    Jan 22, 2008
    Ring Magazine, under Fleischer and even a good decade after, had a great Hall of Fame going. Every year they'd induct people and write lengthy articles explaining why. It was taken very seriously.

    Somewhere along the line it just lapsed and seems to be forgotten today. I think all of the members of Ring's HOF should automatically be inducted into the IBHOF.
     
  7. HDmexiqtioner

    HDmexiqtioner Member Full Member

    139
    209
    Sep 1, 2020
    100% on Diego Corrales

    Never heard of Marcel, interesting to learn about the history behind the warrior.

    Honestly not sure about Primo directly. Due to the amount of involvement with the mob and fixed bouts as a result. Sure credit should be given for being the "biggest" heavyweight for the era, but Max Baer shows a lot of holes in his game. But then again, I really might not be the hugest fan of.


    Would fighters who had been involved with PEDs at some point be involved?

    Evander Holyfield and eventually Shane Mosley have had been busted but are in.

    Would you consider Tommy Morrison to be inducted?
    Or James Toney for that matter?

    ALSO another must for an induction is the Iconic Showtime Announcer Jimmy Lennon Jr. His impact, legacy, and passion is a must have and personally he presents an aura of class to boxing events that I absolutely admire.
     
    The Slaps likes this.
  8. The Slaps

    The Slaps Win or lose, as long as you get the decision Full Member

    141
    207
    Apr 8, 2018
    Great thread and some amazing boxers listed already, a few more that should be considered.
    Oldies: George Gardner, considered one of the most technically sound boxers of his era, could put it up to anyone no matter how big or how good. He was world Middleweight Champion, Undisputed World Light Heavy Champion and held claims on both at the same time. He was ducked by Tommy Ryan. He also had a claim over the heavyweight title as he had recently beatin Hart and Root who had a box off for the world title, although his claim was put to bed quick when he lost to Mike Schreck in a 20 round ko. He had victories over the likes of Barbados Joe Walcott, Marvin Hart, Jack Root, Jack Moffat, Peter Maher, Kid Carter, Frank Craig, Jack Burke amongst others.

    Frank "Paddy" Slavin, one of the top contenders and most feared pugalists from the late 1880's and 1890's. He was aggressive who'd turn fights into war, he won titles all over the world Australia, New Zealand, England and finally got the recognition as world heavyweight champion by the Police Gazette. Along with his massive rival Peter Jackson he was avoided by John L Sullivan. After bar room brawls and bust ups Slavin and Jackson had a long awaited battle 1892 when Jackson KO'd him in 10. Slavin has victories over Jem Smith, Joe McAullife, Jake Kilraine, Harry Laing, Mick Dooley, Frank Craig amongst others.

    Getting tired of writing so will just whip out a few others
    Estaban de Jesus lightweight champion in a great era.
    Michael Nunn great middleweight in a stacked era, although 6 or 7 from that era could be inducted.
     
    The Senator likes this.
  9. Bukkake

    Bukkake Boxing Addict Full Member

    5,493
    3,718
    Apr 20, 2010
    He is already a member (since 2013).
     
  10. Dempsey1238

    Dempsey1238 Boxing Junkie Full Member

    12,719
    3,559
    Jul 10, 2005
    Vernon Forrest should of been in a LONG time ago. He was one of the best in the early 2000's. A shame he was murder.
     
  11. HDmexiqtioner

    HDmexiqtioner Member Full Member

    139
    209
    Sep 1, 2020
    Ohh good. I didn't see it when I was looking at the list.
     
  12. ChrisJS

    ChrisJS Boxing Addict Full Member

    3,236
    7,118
    Sep 11, 2018
    Gilberto Roman
    Santos Laciar
    Lionel Rose
    Rafael Herrera

    Jump out to me right away as shocking oversights.
     
  13. PernellSweetPea

    PernellSweetPea Boxing Junkie Full Member

    12,116
    5,723
    Feb 26, 2009
    Wow. I would say no to all of them from Forrest on down.
     
    Last edited: Jan 1, 2021
  14. Mike Cannon

    Mike Cannon Boxing Addict Full Member

    4,142
    7,393
    Apr 29, 2020
    Laciar Mmmm, the rest oh yes. keep well.
     
    ChrisJS likes this.
  15. Xplosive

    Xplosive Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    24,330
    9,937
    Jun 23, 2008
    "You much time you got, buddy?"