Tim Witherspoon (2nd Smith fight) vs Michael Moorer (Foreman fight)

Well, I agree, I don't think most people will think about those latter two points. However, 4 those who like 2 consider themselves fight analysists (not trying 2 sound proud, I honestly couldn't say about you), I don't think we can let the general fallacies of typical fans stop us from properly analyzing the events leading up to and following a fight. Afterall, it is often a previous fight, or series of fights that determines the outcome of the fight that follows. And in the case of big fights, it possibly effects the rest of a fighter's career. Take ATG warriors like Benny Paret, Tommy "Hurricane" Jackson, Matthew Saad Muhammad, Bobby Chacon, and Ray Mancini. Each of their fights involved absorbing so much punishment that it often affected the next fight. Paret's fights w/ Griffith and Fullmer ended his career, and his life. Jackson's career lasted about 8 years cuz of his style. Saad Muhammad had a 4 year peak that was abrubtly ended by the hands of Qawi. His career went horribly after that. U get the picture I'm sure. (btw, I didn't bring these types of fighters as a parallel 2 Moorer's case, just an illustration of the concept that fights before and after big fights can seriously affect a fighter's career)

 

To be fair, you might include some controversial decision wins of George at the time too. But yes, you´ll rarely find a fellow who could even come close at that age.

 

maybe Roberto Duran

 

Nobody is talking about Bonecrusher in his pro debut or Foreman in the 70s. This shows an interesting contrast though. Bonecrusher had none of the fanfare that Foreman had and was fed to a hot prospect like Broad in his first fight without any am experience. It turned out that Bonecrusher could fight.

As for Rodrigues, do you think the guy in Brazil who was undefeated and won a SD over Smith was the same as the guy who showed up on American turf for Foreman after being demolished by Holyfield?

 

Id respectfully disagree with all this William.

The fight was clearly thrown by witherspoon.

Spoon was in the same "deplorable" state,and had the same knowledge of bonecrusher when he outpointed him easily 18 months earlier.he just didnt want to fight for king he was fed up of being robbed and threatened by kings lawyers.he let certain people convince him the only way out of his contract was to lose.

Witherspoon 5 months earlier despite everything had shown tremendous stomach for the battle & hunger and guts in the ring (and the kitchen beforehand) to beat bruno senseless after 11 very fast paced rounds.tim had a very good chin right up to his 40s .he threw that fight.he was hardly ever gonna admit it and get called a dog,have the Authorities suspicious for the rest of his life.

Moorer was a vicious and hungry light heavyweight and he was spectacular early on at hw.i think teddy atlas bullied and demoralised and gas lighted him into an inferior fighter and attitude.Atlas was good at that.

Therefore i se the same outcome as the foreman fight.witherspoon poleaxes moorer around the 10th but tim woulda been leading anyway

 

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA.

Do Marvis Frazier next.

 

Just gonna point out that Witherspoon’s tooth was knocked out. It takes more courage to let that happen to you than does to try to win.

 

You selling any Foreman Grills?

 

Do Marvis Frazier next.

 

No. I said Moorer was being a “dumbass” which is true. I described Foreman as being “ripe” which is also true. The other stuff you’re inventing.

Witherspoon wasn’t chinny and Moorer was. That part is correct.

 

So, apparently, we're supposed to compare old George Foreman in his late 40s ... with Bonecrusher Smith but JUST SMITH in 1986.

But not ALL of 1986, because Smith couldn't even beat Marvis Frazier in 1986.

Just Smith from April to December 1986.

Jesus. Enough.

 

Yep thats also a possibility because Moorer didn´t have that raw physicality of Smith.

 

I like Marvis. He fought all comers and only lost to two ATG heavyweights. He was a good am and a good pro who is badly underrated.