Tim Witherspoon (2nd Smith fight) vs Michael Moorer (Foreman fight)

Better fighters? Holyfield was better than Tyson (twice). Morrison was better than Ruddock. Moorer beat Smith (George knocked Moorer out). Rodrigues beat Smith (George knocked Rodrigues out). Hell, Tubbs got knocked out in one round by Jimmy Ellis for God's sake (who George also knocked out). Witherspoon got knocked out by Lou Savarese (who George beat). Shulz beat Smith.

Smith lost to three guys Foreman beat in his comeback.
Spoon got stopped by a guy Foreman beat in his comeback.
Tubbs got stopped by a guy Foreman beat in his comeback.

How were they better fighters overall when they couldn't even beat the guys George was beating?

HA HA HA HA

If Smith only lost to Holyfield and Morrison ... and George quit in one round against Bugner and got knocked out by Broad and Lionel Butler and Nielsen ... I'd agree with you.

But this is comical.

George got knocked out by Muhammad Ali. Smith got knocked out by Lionel Butler.

There's nothing to argue here. George would've been a first ballot Hall of Famer with just his first career. He would've been a first ballot Hall of Famer just for his second career and being the oldest man to ever become World champ.

Smith was never the world champ and will never be in the Hall of Fame because his career isn't close to George's. Not remotely.

Not even from April 1986 to December 1986.

 

I didnt realise he was 233lbs for that rematch thats a big ole boy back than

When i look back ...witherspoon in the 1980s looks in better shape than say whyte or chisora...but there were jokes back than that he ought to be wearing a bra.he was lunped in with tubbs.

i suppose he fought a few muscular guys he didnt compare well side by side...bruno,smith,thomas,mike Williams

 

A "shell" of Adilson Rodrigues? HA HA HA HA HA.

Rodrigues was 36-3 when George fought him. And Rodrigues went 41-3 after George fought him.

Give it up.

 

And you can't name a single person who Rodrigues beat after the Formean fight.

 

No. Smith definitely was fighting better comp in the 80s. George only fought three guys who were in the top ten and went 1-2. Never gave a rematch to the one guy he beat either.

 

That Smith lost to three guys Foreman fought is logically extremely flawed. Smith neither was a successful aging comeback fighter nor is that thread about the 40 years old version of Smith. I´ll give you the third (Rodriques). On the other hand we saw Smith loose against Marvis Frazier (if that wasn´t a robbery as some say) as well as getting beaten by Witherspoon himself as well as Bruno until he got him. He lost to all of them until the punchers chance popped up. And thats what this thread is all about, raw power catching someone. With the difference that Moorer wasn´t a 6'4" 230lb huge Banger.
Making this thread look like a direct comparison of quality with Moorer doing the Smith job without chance and mixing that up with Moorer vs. Foreman is BS for the same reason: Comparing two unexpected outcomes, thats pretty weird. Which is needles for James Smith anyway, its white on black that this guy was hot and cold.
But it gets a little confusing at that point I guess.

So for thread itself, I´ll repeat myself at this point. If Moorer isn´t blitzing Witherspoon (who we suppose to be ok that night), he´s in a fight against a good big boxer who could punch too, but has a better chin than him.

 

Me writing a wall of text compared to you? Comon.
I´d adress your quick history of GF with what he did: No quick "letting them know" stoppages next to druggy past-time fighter Cooney and Rod who got stopped three times before that, twice to unknown fighters < 5 rounds. Thats two quick stoppages over "quality fighters" in close to 70 rounds that he could win, next is 7 rounds Qawi, Morrison excluded that he lost to. Don´t get me wrong what GF did was impressive at that age, the problem you guys bring up is making him some H2H punching beast in the 90s, which the stats simply don´t show. We could more say he was very good with that heavy jab and energy investment.

To this thread.
If I didn´t get this wrong you tried to make the Smith fight look like Witherspoon that night was more of a factor than Smiths performance itself. That might be correct, or maybe Smith did just what he could do, land big punches sometimes. Which he did before as well. Fine. Could be both. Smith did it to Bruno too, rocked Tyson a little and did it with Rudduck. Since I hate double standards and can just guess the Moorer-Foreman situation, don´t forget the possibility of playing this game both ways

 

Comeback Jorge Foreman faced three fighters with a pulse...........acted as a Heavy bag against Holyfield..lost.....could not put Tommy Chin away...lost.......got the 11th hour stoppage against a glass chinned Ex Light Heavy while being beaten from pillar to post...won......so 1-2 in title fights........never ever defended his belts and rather got stripped instead of facing a fighter worth a lick, apparently washed up Coke head Tucker was too much of a risk against the "hardest Puncher "that has ever lived...............could not put tier 3 cans away in Stewart/Saverese/Grimsley......two of those were waxed by a washed up /shot Tyson in 90 seconds COMBINED........ran from a rematch against Euro Bum Schulz.

HI[p Hip Hooray, Comeback Foreman the killer of all killers.........after all beating the mighty ATG Rodbumo from Brazil counts for something.

Naturally he would walk right over Smith thats why he never ever even considered fighting him , even a totally washed up one, the classic forum already declared him the winner, no reason to fight.

 

If I remember right he wasnt happy with King and went into the ring distracted and uninterested.....but....Bonecrusher hit like a mack truck and if even for a second TW thought about throwing it once he got caught there was no going back......

 

Yeah, I mean who has ever heard of Johnny Nelson? LOL

Give it up.

 

You do know Smith fought the same "Euro bum" "glass-chinned ex light heavyweight" and "ATG Rodbumo" and lost to all of them, right? (LOL)

Should George have considered fighting Bonecrusher before Bonecrusher got knocked out by Lionel Butler or after Bonecrusher lost a decision to Levi Billups? Or should he have offered Bonecrusher a fight for the title after Smith quit against Brian Nielsen or after he quit after one round against Joe Bugner?

Give it a rest.

Nobody who Marvis Frazier and Levi Billups beat is better than George Foreman. And the very fact I have to write that sentence might mean this "Classic Forum" is dead. (LOL)

 

You went on boxrec to dig up a SD win in Brazil over a cruiserweight who had about ten loses and was years away from winning a WBO belt at 190. You deserve a cookie for that one.

 

I have those fights. Have you heard of Johnny Nelson? They fought twice.

Give it a rest.