After round 4 or so Ortiz realizes he isn't fighting a 45 year old that will lay down after the first punch he connects, Joyce wears him down
Triangle theories ain't worth the second hand toilet paper they should be written on with a pointy turd stick..... Boxing is a lot more nuanced than that.
I think Ortiz still has something left. He's a veteran that you can't count out, very much like Povetkin when he fought Whyte. At this moment, I'd pick Ortiz over Joyce.
At this stage, I’d have to pick Joyce. He’s patient and he’d need to be with Ortiz. Ortiz is always dangerous, but Joyce I think would be able to wear Ortiz out and outpoint him or stop him late. A few years ago, it might have been a different story.
yeah, I mean he’s got a pretty solid chin, so I’m sure he’ll see the distance relatively frequently going forward I guess.
Ortiz is probably at a point where he knows he will never be at or near the top. Hard to imagine him being motivated enough to win. Slow Joyce wins. Maybe a some sort of stoppage.
Nice points, a couple of things I'd like to point out though, whilst Jennings might have been closer to his physical prime when Ortiz beat him. He was still coming off a loss. Whereas he was coming off arguably one of his best wins when Joyce fought him. (Edit: actually my memory was wrong here, he was coming off a loss to Rivas when he fought Joyce, but Dimitrenko was still arguably his best win) When you factor in experience alongside athleticism it's difficult to say which version of Jennings was better. I quite enjoyed watching back Jennings fights, and he obviously had his highest ranking leading up to his loss against Klitchko, but as good as a performance as that was, we should remember that Jennings never actually beat anyone inside the top 20. So even if we can say Ortiz's victory looked better. One, it's arguable whether he fought the best version of Jennings and two, whether that even means all that much beyond defeating a gate-keeper to the top 20. And that's not even considering this all happened over 5 years ago now.
