Someone explain the forced narrative of AJ having The Best HW Resume

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Slyk, Jan 22, 2021.


  1. Heavy_Hitter

    Heavy_Hitter Boxing Addict Full Member

    4,320
    5,078
    Jul 7, 2018
    Lol
    Not this bs again
    This just shows how poor Fury's resume is. His fans try to convince everyone that laws of nature don't apply to Wlad and he was prime or close to prime at 3 month to 40.
     
    lordlosh likes this.
  2. lordlosh

    lordlosh Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

    7,759
    7,483
    Jun 4, 2014
    Heavy_Hitter, he actually did great job at staying at his best or close to his best for that long.
    Most guys are regressing after 32-33. And are shot to ****** 35+.
    Pretty sure Fury will be shot to ..... in 2-3 years time from now.
    Expect Joshua to go down after 35+ as well, but for completely other reason.
     
  3. Slyk

    Slyk Boxing Junkie Full Member

    8,727
    4,431
    Dec 5, 2010
    This is so unbelievably wrong.

    Fighter A beats a 41 year old fighter with no belts who has been out of the ring for TWO years, getting knocked down in the process and inches from being stopped.

    Fighter B beats the second longest reigning champ of all time, 39 years old and a heavy favorite as he still showed he had it, in his back yard.

    Rando on boxing forum insists that Fighter A beat a "more fired up" version and has the better win. You can't make this up lmao
     
  4. Doppleganger

    Doppleganger Southside Slugger Full Member

    1,920
    371
    Dec 30, 2005
    So you accept then that Wlad was nowhere near prime for either fight, as you haven't addressed that polnt.

    Fury caught Wlad at the right time, jaded by mutliple title defences against largely unheralded opponents, going through difficult issues with his then wife outside the ring which is all well documented. The mental aspect is hugely important, especially for athletes in solo disciplines like boxing, even more so at elite level where it can be the difference between success and failure. Fury did a great job in getting to Wlad and he won the mental battle before they even stepped in the ring. It was a close fight which Fury won. It was also an absolute stinker.

    The Fury that Joshua fought had no such issues outside the ring. He was now in a good place with his wife and was hugely motivated to regain the heavyweight title, something that almost all the great heavyweight champions had done. Wlad also had huge motivation from being dismissed as over-the-hill, especially by large sections of the British press, who felt it was the fight that would herald Joshua onto the world scene by defeating a former dominate world champion. It ended up being an exciting, barnstorming fight that saw both fighters badly hurt and floored before the youth of Joshua (and maybe Vitali's caution) won through.

    That's why I think Joshua fought the better version.

    Another question. Why did Fury never rematch Wlad? Yes, I've heard all the excuses but none of them really have the ring of truth. I think he knew he caught Wlad on an off-night and would not be so lucky in the rematch. Again what I think, just my opinion.

    I don't recall there being any issues with a Joshua rematch, which was on the table for a few months until Wlad decided to retire.

    And I may be a 'rando' but then so are you. So are 99% of people on this forum.

    What's your point?
     
  5. Ph33rknot

    Ph33rknot Live as if you were to die tomorrow Full Member

    22,853
    22,738
    Mar 5, 2012
    Fury has young glad and undefeated wilder
     
  6. RB1702

    RB1702 Well-Known Member Full Member

    1,851
    2,094
    May 7, 2020
    Young Wlad lol.
     
  7. Decker

    Decker Boxing Addict Full Member

    3,448
    942
    Jul 7, 2007
    It's not far fetched, I'll copy & paste above w/brief explanations

    Wlad - younger version
    Wilder - overrated or not, he was undefeated... until he meet Fury
    Chisora - tough mutha who's been in w/ many top HWs
    Cunningham - CW title holder moving up

    Is better than
    Wlad - older version
    Parker - good win, many think the ref was biased for the home fighter
    Povetkin - an excellent opponent given his age, bigger/younger AJ wins. Are we supposed to be all :yaay
    Whyte - an older Pov sparks DW, this is worth no more than Fury's 2W over Chisora
    Ruiz - the KO loss should cancel this win, AJ is 1-1 here NOT 1-0

    I think their resumes are closer than some think. My beef w/most HWs is they're not fighting each other enough.
    I'm not looking for 4 bouts per year on average, but how about 2-3?
     
  8. Ph33rknot

    Ph33rknot Live as if you were to die tomorrow Full Member

    22,853
    22,738
    Mar 5, 2012
    Forgot the er
     
  9. Wizbit1013

    Wizbit1013 Drama go, and don't come back Full Member

    13,323
    16,952
    Mar 17, 2018
    Whilst not prime, he was still the man to beat
     
  10. Wizbit1013

    Wizbit1013 Drama go, and don't come back Full Member

    13,323
    16,952
    Mar 17, 2018
    Old Vlad lol
     
  11. Ph33rknot

    Ph33rknot Live as if you were to die tomorrow Full Member

    22,853
    22,738
    Mar 5, 2012
  12. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    15,015
    17,048
    Jan 13, 2021
    But whyte beat chisora twice, oscar rivas and parker so the povetkin win honestly triumphs the Wilder win despite the fact that povetkin was over the hill.
     
  13. Slyk

    Slyk Boxing Junkie Full Member

    8,727
    4,431
    Dec 5, 2010
    We've got folks in this thread saying:

    AJ's win over 41 year old beltless Vlad with 2 years ring rust > Champion decade win streak 39 year old all the belts Vlad

    and

    AJ's win over 39 year old shopworn Povetkin > Fury's TWO wins over undefeated Wilder who many thought may own the division

    Not much we can do about this logic
     
    Decker likes this.
  14. Slyk

    Slyk Boxing Junkie Full Member

    8,727
    4,431
    Dec 5, 2010
    Here's a simple point you can probably understand:

    The Vlad that Fury beat beats Joshua.

    His left hook was slow as f*** against Joshua. If you've seen enough Vladdo tape you'd know he had a lightning fast LH that was tough to get a read on. Trying to deny the significance of TWO YEARS of ring rust and diminished speed while playing up "motivation" is absurd.
     
  15. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    15,015
    17,048
    Jan 13, 2021
    Your thinking too much into the titles. Wlad was over the hill regardless in both fights. And Before the Aj fight he was still training. He wanted the rematch with fury as it was contractually obligated but it never happened. Thats literally half his inactivity.

    And your saying Furys win over Wilder is something out of this world. Answer this question. Name Wilders top 2 opponents on from his resume. He's overrated. World class fighter definitely but overrated. Joshua beat Povetkin and povetkin beat dillian Whyte afterwards. The same whyte who went to war with Chisora twice, and beat Rivas, and Parker. All world level wins.

    Based on an objevtive view. Joshuas win over Povetkin is better than Furys win over Wilder. However Furys win over Klitschko is better than Joshuas. No debating that. But overall Joshua has the better resume as he posses wins over Povetkin, Whyte, Pulev, Klitschko, and Parker. Some of these fighters are past their prime but they are still World Level fighters. If you want you can add Takam too. Gatekeeper level but still very skilled