Jack Dempsey vs. Jack Sharkey

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  1. The Fighting Yoda

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  2. KasimirKid

    KasimirKid Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I love watching this fight. I had Sharkey ahead at 4 rounds to two after six. No question that the final punch to the body was extremely low and in very vulnerable territory. I thought his reactions to the punch were believable and not an act.

    Sharkey is really "on" for this fight. He fought cleverly and his punches were crisp. I enjoy watching most of his fights. I rate him as one of the most entertaining heavyweight fighters of the era. I understand that I am in the minority. Klompton is right on in his analysis.
     
  3. William Walker

    William Walker Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Hmmm...I've never thought of Sharkey as too entertaining until I saw his fight w/ Maloney. But then again I haven't seen as much of him as you have perhaps. Makes me look forward to Sharkey's fights more after hearing you say that.
     
  4. William Walker

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    Alright this is what I'm going to do. You and I have disagreed here on mainly two points:
    1) I say the fight was even, you say Dempsey was badly outpointed.
    2) I didn't see very many or maybe any fouls, and you say Dempsey fouled Sharkey throughout.

    I'm going to watch this fight twice. Once to observe each point.
     
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  5. William Walker

    William Walker Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    -WHEN was Dempsey hurt? Just tell me the round.
    -I'm open to that. I'm going to go back and watch for it.
    -The punches shown earlier in this thread by BitPlayerVesti of Dempsey punching downstairs on Sharkey did not show Sharkey ever being hit below the belt. While Dempsey might have fouled him below the belt at some point, it was not the reason for Sharkey looking to the referee if one watches the Dempsey flurry right before Sharkey looks to the referee and is KO'd.
     
  6. William Walker

    William Walker Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Idk man. This is boxing. The weirdest things happen. Remember that.

    I thought Dempsey did look a little hurt in that clip, not much though. I honestly don't remember seeing that in the version of the fight that I watched.
     
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  7. janitor

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    He was very mentally unstable.

    He was the best fighter in the world, from the neck down!
     
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  8. he grant

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    Here's a few truths .. Jack Sharkey peaking in the 1920's .. by 1930 he was past his best ... a prime, motivated Jack Sharkey was a terrific 200 pound fighter .. he was fast, had a good jab, a terrific chin and a lot of game .. the ma could fight, period .. he may have been at his absolute best for the Dempsey fight .. I've felt for a long time that Dempsey's two best opponents were this Sharkey and Tunney .. I've watched this fight many, many times and feel while Dempsey was rocked a bit early he recovered and was working his way back into the fight , showing a ton of tenacity and game himself .. as far as the ending, sure Dempsey was hitting borderline but Sharkey was no sait himself as the clip shows smacking Dempsey in the face e after the bell in the previous round .. in the same fight he showed flashed of brilliance Sharkey showed his weakness as well, losing concentration and getting clobbered .. no doubt it was a nasty hook as it lifted him off thew ground .. as far as him clutching his groin still who knows, he may have been half out .... to me Dempsey proved more of what he could have been if he stayed with a real trainer like Jimmy D and kept fighting steady post Willard ... to me Dempsey remains possible the greatest under achiever of any of our champions right up there w Sullivan ..
     
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  9. William Walker

    William Walker Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    This.
     
  10. William Walker

    William Walker Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    One thing that I find interesting about the Dempsey-Sharkey knockout that I failed to mention was the punch that leveled Sharkey. It's reported by boxrec to be a left hook. Not true, exactly. It was kind of a Henry Cooper-style left hook that is shaped more like a hook, but delivered in an uppercut fashion.
     
  11. klompton2

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    Exactly. Dempsey throws 9 blows, one of which was legal, Sharkey goes to complain and gets clipped by a left hook. While hes down on the ground hes grabbing his balls, not his jaw. It defies logic to pretend you cant see those low blows and that Sharkey's reaction was completely outside of the scope of the events described above. People here have said "Sharkey won three previous fights on DQ" as if they were somehow illegitimate. The Boston Globe clearly described the end of the Maloney fight giving Maloney full credit for his performance and giving him the benefit of the doubt for his earlier low blows but admitted that the final three punches clearly landed on Sharkey's groin. Against Gorman Sharkey was laid up in his dressing room after the fight for hours in agony and being attended to by a physician. If he faked it he went to extremes Ive never seen in the sport. I havent seen anyone dispute the DQ over Wills and frankly it wasnt from Sharkey milking anything as the referee DQd Wills of his own accord after having been warned several times in a fight that Sharkey was a clear winner. If we are going to dredge up Sharkey's past of anything then lets not forget Dempsey's proclivity for fouling and taking unfair advantage of his opponents while we are pretending we cant see his low blows, after the bell punches, or using his shoulder.
     
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  12. William Walker

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    But Jason Thomas, the colorized version is condensed. The version I watched, though unclear as you said, was in its entirety. Don't you think that's more important?

    I am going to watch the colorized version as well and score it tonight. So I will be watching this fight three more times. I might get sick of it, so I'm going to watch it 3x over the weekend, rather than sitting down and watching it 3x or even 2x at once. It could also affect my perception of the fight.
     
  13. klompton2

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    Again, completely ignoring that Sharkey hitting Dempsey after the bell was in response to Dempsey hitting Sharkey after the bell first... Jesus.
     
  14. fistfighter

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    Guess Sharkey paid the "low blow" forward to Schmeling several fights later, since he never re-matched Dempsey.
     
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  15. William Walker

    William Walker Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Hang on. You're going too fast. I just watched this the 6th round of this version. I concede the matter of the after-the-bell punch to you. I didn't see the Dempsey punch the first time. However, Dempsey didn't look like he didn't intentionally. Guys often throw after the bell or on it without meaning to.
    The matter of the low blows however is another story. Even the colorized version is not the best, and it's still a little hard to tell if Dempsey hit Sharkey low or not. It doesn't defy logic. One also cannot say with certainly that Sharkey was grabbing his balls when he went down. He could have, but many fighters have gone done from legal midsection punches. That's not out of the question. However, it's all pretty irrelevant anyway, cuz it's clear that the punches Dempsey threw downstairs were not hard at all, whether they were below the belt or not.
     
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