Prime Ray Robinson is dumped into 2021 by a time machine

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  1. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Boxing skill hasn`t improved since the 50`s and Ray was a master at everything.
     
  2. lbarrow

    lbarrow Active Member Full Member

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    Robinson beats everyone in 2021 at welter and light middle. Probably beats most of the middleweights too even if he wanted to weigh in at 150.
     
  3. Bujia

    Bujia Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I wouldn’t call him a master at everything. He wasn’t a very good infighter, for instance. Not great defensively, either. Good, not great. He was a very good outboxer, but he never struck me as a master technician. He was tall, used a very good jab, and was exceptionally graceful on his feet. Not much beyond that in the pure boxing sense, though that typically did him well enough.

    He was a master at instantly breaking rhythm from rangy boxing to explosive combination punching. That was another aspect made possible by his great feet. And his combination punching in full swing was unparalleled by anyone, ever.
     
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  4. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    His hooks were insane.
     
  5. SambaKing1993

    SambaKing1993 Don't do it Zachary! Full Member

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    Link me to video footage of him looking more impressive than Leonard, Pacquiao, Jones, Tyson...
     
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  6. Devon

    Devon Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Fighters from today are much more explosive and athletic and punch way more tight and sharp and these are all vital aspects
     
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  7. Devon

    Devon Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I do agree especially with the defense, people don't seem to mention that he did get hit quite a bit, I watched one of his fights not long ago and whilst he wasn't getting hit with huge punches, he was getting hit quite a bit
     
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    young griffo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    There you go. It took me all of 10 seconds. Try Google sometime. It works a treat.
     
  9. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Robinson was more skilled than Leonard and Jones, they were just great athletes, Manny had more flaws than Ray. Tyson was better at getting into positions where he could throw shots but Ray was far better at getting those shots off from good positions.
     
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  10. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Amazing combos.
     
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  11. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Ray was a better combo puncher than any fighter in history, Spence doesn`t punch correctly and is very stiff, Bud is far nearer to Ray`s level but lacks his craft, he would toy with the rest of the welters fighting today, tame bunch.
     
  12. greynotsoold

    greynotsoold Boxing Addict Full Member

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    There was another, the change from leather to rubber soled shoes.
     
  13. Bujia

    Bujia Well-Known Member Full Member

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    What adjustment to technique did that prompt?
     
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  14. greynotsoold

    greynotsoold Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Something that would bother Ray in today's world...
    When he fought, you stayed sharp by fighting a lot.
    The only way you get sharp and stay sharp is by fighting.
    Today everyone needs an 8-10 week "camp" to prepare for a fight. This is because they (1)have to lose a bunch of weight, (2)have to re learn the basics of boxing that they haven't paid attention to since the fight a year ago and (3)go hard in sparring for 3 weeks to get th heir timing back.
     
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  15. Bujia

    Bujia Well-Known Member Full Member

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    The first two things you named are not skills/techniques. They’re also false statements, as those are all completely individual qualities. You’re relying on the “modern is better because of science” argument instead of relying on what your eyes actually tell you.

    The next two things you mentioned are pure fantasy. Even more so than the first two. And entirely subjective. Also fairly irrelevant. Again, it all comes entirely down to the individual.

    Which current fighters are more explosive and athletic than Robinson?
     
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