How far away is lomachenko from being above floyd?

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Different age and size and weight classes.
For Loma most optimal was 126 lbs and maybe 130 lbs , not 135 lbs limit.
BTW I had gave not bad chances for Linares and Campbell to beat him up, this did not had happened.
Even Lopez barely defeated him. Barely not impressive at all.

We with the same success might compare Floyd vs Tyson or Dorticos.

 

Lulululul

 

Nice how boxing forums are used for entertainment.
Let's start to compare Mike Tyson with Floyd and Floyd vs Frazier, why not?

 

Oh what so we are going to totally forget about the high level degree of cherrypicking in Floyd's s resume in every. single. fight... Absolutely embarassing the lot of you especially as most of you probably think you're boxing fans. This is why boxing is always going to be ****, because of dumbasses and easily fooled everywhere in the boxing community.

So many dumbasses that look at his resume and think wow look at the names... Yeah they're names but there is highly relevant context you know

 

Floyd Mayweather 50-0 TBE











Va-SILLY Lose-a-chenko!

 

Yeah, more than 99% posters in boxing forums and YT comments are idiots.

Yeah, poor kid, you are poor looser in internet forums therefore you hate rich ppl like Loma.
Do not brag otherwise, you are boxing icon and if no, at least worldwide appreciated boxing pundit or in worst case at least very rich guy.

 

Floyds beat 23 world Champions (former and current) and in world Championship fights is 25-0. Among the world champions he beat several are HOF and 3-4 names arguably ATGs as well (Juan Manuel Marquez, Canelo Alvarez, Manny Pacquiao, and Oscar De La Hoya)
Loma has beat 8 world champions and lost to 2 so if he beats 16 more world champions then he's surpassed Floyd lol. and of the 8 he's beat theirs only about 2-3 names that will maybe be HOF one day. I like Loma a lot he's probably done enough already to be HOF but Floyds a top 3 ATG and arguably the GOAT and Lomas resume doesn't stack up to that yet theirs an argument to be made Loma's the greatest Amateur boxer of all time but in the pros, he's not in my top 15.

 

Well, highest level " amateurs " are not amateurs at all per se.
If about Olympic rules, he definitely is in TOP 10 in world's history.

I do not agree. Salido fight was controversial regards to ref work and cards too, plus Salido already had lost belt on scales.
It is shame for 147 lbs Salido not be capable to finish 136 lbs lad in the ring with so high ammount of fouls here.
Tank with such ammount of fouls had delivered both: Salido and Loma in ICU.
So for me Loma is 12-1 in world title fights.
Lopez BTW liked me in the ring, kid really played the game and barely won this one and still he did all the best to keep clean boxe here.
Props for Lopez here.

 

Im a lil confused by your post here. Amateur bouts even Olympic amateur bouts are amateur they do not count on a professional resume that's the end of the story lol Amateur and Professional boxing are 2 different sports with very different rules you cant judge how good a pro boxer is based on their amateur pedigree just look at Audley Harrison. Recently the Olympics has allowed pros to enter but it's still amateur boxing and will not reflect on a fighter's pro resume.
I agree the reffing in the Salido fight was extremely suspect and Salido deliberately fouled Loma several times but a loss is a loss. Also still don't know where you're getting the additional 4 world champions Loma beat he only fought 10 world champions and beat 8 of them and lost to 2. If you're counting his title defenses against non-world champion fighters as well, that's not what I'm talking about I'm talking about who defeated the most world champions. Floyds beat 23 Lomas beat 8. It's not particularly close.
Even if we use your criteria and use all world title bouts that they were involved in Loma is still not even close to Floyd
Floyd 25-0
Loma 12-2
and that doesn't include Floyds fights with Marquez and Mosley because no world title was on the line for that fight if you include all fights against Former and Current champions as well Floyd is 27-0. I like watching Loma fight he's got an entertaining style and is probably HOF already but he's not in the same stratosphere as Floyd hed have to beat over ten more world champions before he retires to get close to Floyd's resume and it kind of seems Lomas nearing the end of his career so that doesn't seem likely at all. Even if you magically reverse the results of both the Salido and Lopez match for Loma he's still not even close.

 

If looking on these: Ali, Foreman, Frazier, DLH, Ward doesn't looks that Olympic boxing heights are so far from pro boxing heights.

This yes.

Partially this is judged, top managers and promoters love to sign up former amateur superstars. Of course also from Western countries.

Why not?
HOF? HOF I think is thing for U.S boxers more than for others.

I do not wish to reverse anything.
Stadium MT me likes better than pro boxing and last thing I value in boxer is 0 in his record.
Not alone these endless belts and hometown champs.

 

I of course do agree that orgs belts are valuable to sell fights for customers but this is not like Oly champ: 1 medal in each weight class in 4 years. Even not world champ in ammies, 1 medal= 1 weight class.

Pro boxe does have x orgs, xx different belts and other stuff too boring to think there.
Also ofc pro KB: each org does have world champ etc like belts holders.

 

Oly boxing does translate well into pro ranks.
Some from a lot of examples: W.Klitschko, Patterson, Ali, Foreman, Frazier, Holyfield, Wilder, Ward, DLH, Lewis, A.J, Usyk.

 

It doesn't guarantee success in the pro ranks. There's a big difference why when discussing great boxers, it's broken into two groups, pros and ams.

 

Amatuer boxing definitely plays a factor in how good a fighter will be in the pros but its not how you judge a pro fighters career you judge that based off what they are capable of doing as a pro

Yeah the boxing orgs have a lot of stupid rules and stuff but if you look at the world champions Floyd beat they were several Hall of fame and ATG fighters like Floyd has beaten as many Hall of fame Champions as Loma has beaten world champions period.

I never said it was about the 0 it's about who he's beat and about who Loma's beat Floyds faced the best opposition in the sport for 2 decades and came out on top every time Lomas faced some very good fighters but Floyds faced and beaten everyone in his era. And Floyd is an All-time great (top 10 fighters in the history of the sport) Loma is Hall of fame material (Depends on your definition of it but id say it's pretty much the top 100 or so fighters in the history of the sport) and on top of that Floyd is in the upper echelon of the ATGs he's one of the few fighters you can argue is the greatest fighter of all time.