Primo Carnera vs. KO Christner I (full fight now on youtube)

He also knocked out Sharkey.

And Baer didn't have an easy time putting him away. He kept knocking Carnera down and Carnera kept getting up. If it takes you a half hour to put a guy away after you dropped him the first time, that isn't easy. That fight was a bar room brawl. And RING had Carnera winning three of the rounds in between all the knockdowns. So when Baer wasn't dropping him, Carnera was winning rounds, too.

 

I said he wasn't an easy out. I don't see what the problem is with that statement.

Baer couldn't put him away for a half hour - and he certainly tried and Baer lost rounds when he wasn't dropping him.

 

QUOTE="Dubblechin, post: 20884106, member: 107480"]Carnera was stopped five times in 104 pro fights. If he got knocked down by EVERYONE who could punch, he certainly didn't stay down.

And I said he was a tough out for everyone but Louis.

What are you arguing about, exactly? (LOL) You've basically confirmed what I wrote.[/QUOTE]
I'm disputing your claim that "he certainly could take a shot".he couldn't, he was floored by indifferent punchers.Sharkey was no puncher he floored Carnera, a French lhvy floored him ,Baer dropped him11 times Louis 3 times,Haynes twice,Musina ,no puncher dropped him 3 times, Stribling dropped him. Now name a puncher who didnt drop him in a straight fight? 102 fights, how many punchers among them? Gains outboxed him easily, Haynes thrashed him,Musina184lbs beat him up.Ace Clark was walloping him until he was told to quit,like wise Chevalier.

 

QUOTE="Dubblechin, post: 20884106, member: 107480"]Carnera was stopped five times in 104 pro fights. If he got knocked down by EVERYONE who could punch, he certainly didn't stay down.

And I said he was a tough out for everyone but Louis.

What are you arguing about, exactly? (LOL) You've basically confirmed what I wrote.[/QUOTE]
I'm disputing your claim that "he certainly could take a shot".he couldn't, he was floored by indifferent punchers.Sharkey was no puncher he floored Carnera, a French lhvy floored him ,Baer dropped him11 times Louis 3 times,Haynes twice,Musina ,no puncher dropped him 3 times, Stribling dropped him. Now name a puncher who didnt drop him in a straight fight? 102 fights, how many punchers among them? Gains outboxed him easily, Haynes thrashed him,Musina184lbs beat him up.Ace Clark was walloping him until he was told to quit,like wise Chevalier.

Baer was clowning around he knew the fight was his,when he signed the contract.
If you're floored 11 times in 11 rds you have been an easy out!Why would anyone need this explaining to them? lol

 

Of course he could take a shot. The fights we can see where he was dropped and got up show he could take a punch and get up.

He was stopped five times in 104 fights. FIVE. Now that's a glass jaw? Christ.

And I don't give a crap who reportedly "walloped" him and "was told" to stop and all that nonsense. (LOL) It's just gossip. Let's see the film.

Like I said, the more we see of his actual fights, the more they look like fights today where guys decide someone is too big or strong and bail, or the supposed FAKE knockouts we read about for years look just fine.

If Carnera was fighting Hector Avila and we had some old black and white footage of Avila doing this ... everyone would call it a fixed fight. And this happens every week now, on every undercard of every show we watch, and nobody bats an eye or screams FIX.

Every fighter in the game today has multiple fights like this all over their records. Gloves up. Fall down. Stay down until the ref gets to 10. Stand up and complain. If Carnera was fighting him, that's a fixed fight. Anyone else, nobody drags them thru the mud for it.

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I don't know why I have to explain to you that it taking A HALF HOUR to stop a guy after you initially knocked him down, and the guy keeps getting up and fighting back, and even wins three rounds off you in the half hour ... isn't easy.

How the hell is that EASY?

Fighting for a half hour isn't easy. Hitting a guy hard enough to drop him isn't easy. Seeing the guy keep getting up isn't easy. Losing rounds to a guy who've already dropped over and over again isn't easy.

What is EASY about any of that?

All I said was Carnera wasn't an easy out. The Baer-Carnera fight was a brawl.

I'm not going to argue this. I didn't say anything wrong.

 

Bottom line ,If you can take a shot you don't go down,certainly not from average punchers whom you vastly outweigh.Baer spent half the time wisecracking and mugging for the crowd,If you think Carnera was hard work you are probably convinced byWWF!
A brawl is two guys giving and taking,a fight ebbing and flowing .
The Baer fight was a circus!lol
1930-04-14 276 Leon Chevalier 216 22 10 4
Oaks Ballpark, Emeryville
W
TKO 6/10
event bout wiki scores
referee: Toby Irwin
One of Chevalier's seconds, Bob Perry, threw in the towel, although it appeared to all that the boxer was in no worse condition than Carnera. "A bitter demonstration followed. Half a dozen fans attacked Perry, striking and kicking him. In the melee he suffered a cut under the eye. Fellow countrymen of Carnera's stood on chairs and shouted 'fake' and urged the huge Italian be made to fight over again." (AP) The boxing commission started an immediate investigation. Mrs. Chevalier told them her husband had been approached earlier to agree to a "fake fight, " but that he had directed all business to his manager, Tim McGrath. McGrath declared he had no knowledge that Perry was going to throw in the towel, and that the towel should not have been thrown in. Carnera's purse was withheld.Attendance 10, 00.


Rioux down six times. After an investigation, the Illinois Boxing Commission cleared Carnera but fined Rioux, who was outweighed by 63 pounds, $1000 and revoked his license.(Deepak Nahar) Bob Soderman provided the report of the Chicago Tribune, which said "Rioux didn't do much fighting..being too intent on doing what he had been hired to do; that is, making sure he fell to the canvas at the slightest provocation." Only two of the six knockdowns appeared to be genuine. Rioux said that he had an "off night" and that his muscles wouldn't respond. Attendance 17, 500.

Madison Square Garden, New York
W
KO 1/10
Gossip my arse!

If you're not going to argue further stop posting, no ones got your arm up your back!lol

 

Both world champions. And Sharkey got KO'd in the return.

Carnera supposedly suffered a broken ankle when Baer fell on him in the first round. He does limp noticeably during the fight. If this is true, lasting 11 rounds was quite an achievement.

Carnera was obviously not great. But is he the nothing some insist he is?

The surviving films seem to be the best way of judging for ourselves.

 

It was a sprain. Nothing wrong with Carnera's heart I'm not doubting that.I'm just saying he didn't have a good chin ,or good power.If he had done I doubt they would have had to pre- arrange so many of his fights! Baer could have gotten him out of there quicker if he had really gone to work on him.Compare Baer v Schmeling with that fight,he was enjoying himself and playing to the crowd.
I'd put Carnera on the level of decent European standard.

 

Footage of Carnera-Chevalier. Towel being thrown in. Arguments ensue. Fixed fight, clearly.

Sorry, that's Ricky Burns-Prince Ofotsu. Sucks that Ricky Burns and his team had to 'prearrange" the fix like that. Clearly, they knew Burns was awful and had to fix this for him.
Clearly.

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Except that Shavers is an ATG puncher with no verified fake fights on his record.