Primo Carnera vs. KO Christner I (full fight now on youtube)

Footage of Carnera-Rioux. Sorry. Vitali-Norris. Too bad Vitali's team had to "prearrange" the win. Clearly a "fix" orchestrated by Team Klitschko. Clearly.

It sucks that Vitali was awful that his own team had to fix this fight. Clearly, this was Team Klitschko's doing.

Imagine if this was Carnera and Norris flopped like that?

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Unlike George Foreman.

https://www.baltimoresun.com/news/bs-xpm-1999-10-31-9911040454-story.html
Fulilangi says nobody asked him to throw his fight to Foreman. No one had to. Then 28, Fulilangi says he took the match after telling a promoter that he had a bad back and a bum leg and was semi-retired. The promoter insisted, and the money was good: $30,000.

A Foreman uppercut dropped Fulilangi in the second round. An overhand right floored him a second time. "He never hit me the third time," Fulilangi said. "He jabbed me and threw a swinging right hand. I went under it and sat down."

Videotape of the fight confirms Fulilangi's account: Foreman missing with a right hand, Fulilangi reeling into the ropes, then falling to the canvas. Announcer Al Albert: "I don't think he even connected, but it is being counted as a knockdown."

Said Fulilangi: "I went down just to get the money. I went to the airport with a smile on my face."

Foreman laughed when told of Fulilangi's account. "That happened to me all the time," said Foreman, 50, who won the heavyweight title for the first time in 1973. "If they're getting a whuppin', it's up to them to decide if they want to continue."



I just can't imagine someone might actually go down themselves because they just want some money. It must be a prearranged fix orchestrated by the winner.

Got to be. Clearly.

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Look I couldnt care less if you don't accept that Carnera was in a lot of fake fights.
Big Boy Peterson
Madison Square Garden, New York
W
KO 1/10
event bout wiki scores
time: 1:10 | referee: Arthur Donovan
"Peterson showed no inclination to fight. He dropped under a grazing left hook for a count of three to give the crowd its first thrill soon after the opening gong". He was down four times." New York Times.
Riccardo Bartazzolo too proud to fall down had his eyebrow slit with a razor between the 2nd and 3rd rds and covered with vaseline, it opened up in the next round and the fight was stopped. In Shulberg's," The Harder They Fall" based on Carnera's career the Italian Bertalazzolo is substitued with a Native American who refuses to take the count.Nick Latka, Toro Morenos manager tells the Chief to put a piece of chicken wire in his mouth ,when the first hard jab hits it ,he begins to bleed copioulsy from lacerated gums.and Moreno gets a tko win.
Carnera fought his sparring partner on his South American tour and had two fake fights with Stribling,his own early manager stated 33 of his fights were fixes.Believe what you want, your opinion means nothing to me.
But when Carnera and several of his opponents had purses withheld and licences suspended , don't try and tell me its just gossip, and that he had a good chin!
NB Norris quit in that fight,just as he did against Tyson, and all the other dodgy outcomes you produce will not alter the fact that many of Carnera's fights were pre-arranged set -ups, learn to live with it or remain gullible
IDGAF!

 

I don't think Gastanaga dropped him but can't confirm.

 

Fought his own sparring partner? SHOCKING.

I'm so outraged. Nobody fights their sparring partner. Because clearly that would mean the fight was fixed.

You'd never see Ali or Holmes or Wlad or Povetkin or Fury or Joshua ever fight or - not in a million years -- defend a heavyweight title against someone they sparred with.

(Rolls eyes).

 

And in Rocky, based on Chuck Wepner's career, Wepner knocks out Ali.

Jesus Christ. (LOL)

 

Primo Carnera lasted a while against Hercules; not many boxers can say that.

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This exact fight happens in 1936 with Primo in place of Vitali, I have zero doubt that much of the press would cry fix. People seem to underestimate the power behind SHW punches. Something about the optics when watching them fight just doesn't quite click.

Wlad had fantastic power, but it doesn't pop out in film the way it does with Foreman, Louis, Shavers, etc.

Now imagine if there was only one truly good SHW in the game. It's not hard to see why fans and experts would have difficulty in digesting what they were seeing.

 

You need to watch more boxing, should I hold your hand and take you to the general forum young man? Carnera was another one of Joes fall boys Louis built his rep off of dives to build an idol for African Americans. the Preem understood this and took various dives to forward the agenda of a better america he was a true patriot at the cost of his godly status. i would argue he should be held in high regard as an activist on the level of Dr King.

 

Hercules could not withstand Carnera on even terms what a coward, if that does not prove his ability as a H2H monster i dont know what would.

 

He is poetry in motion.

 

Why did Norris "quit" against Tyson and Vitali ... but anyone who "quit" against Carnera you insist was a prearranged dive?

Have you gone back and looked at "everyone" -- all the opponents - you insist were involved in "prearranged dives" to see if they "prearranged dived" against anyone else?

Big Boy Peterson lost HALF of his fights, for God's sake. But Carnera is the guy he "took the dive" for? No one else? Are you sure he didn't take a seat or go down just as easily against ALL THE OTHER GUYS who stopped him over that year or so, too, like Jack Redman, Dave Knost, Tony Cancela, Johnny Risko? Done any research?

Or are you just regurgitating the same nonsense we've been hearing for decades.

Peterson lost half his fights. Bertolozzi lost half his fights. Chevalier lost half his fights. These guys were professional opponents. How many times did they lose in their careers and people rolled their eyes and said "that didn't look kosher?" Or was it just against Carnera?

Like I said yesterday, each time a Carnera fight comes out, and we see him stop somebody else, you see his fights don't look any more suspicious than any other guy fighting now who has opponents go down for whatever reason, pop up at 10, and are all smiles. And nobody bats an eye.

The number of actual KOs we ever see are minimal. But if Carnera doesn't leave a guy on the floor for minutes, it's a fix, apparently.

 

It is akin to witnessing the sight of Cthulu, it is enough to pull your sanity into the void.

 

Forgive him he does not watch much boxing.