Jack Sharkey vs. Max Schmeling II

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  1. William Walker

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    This was another match I watched tonight that I had high hopes for, especially considering the lack of closure that there was after the first fight between Sharkey and Schmeling. It was not a good fight, and there was no closure to it either.

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    The rounds as I had them:
    1. As opposed to the previous fight, Schmeling fought upright, like Sharkey, rather than out of a crouch. I felt this was a wise move on Schmeling's part, and commend him for improving in this match. Nothing took place in the round. Even.
    2. Schmeling landed some good straight right hands and good hooks from both hand, but not very many. Sharkey barley threw at all. Both were pretty inactive. The difference in who won the round is seriously just in a couple of punches. Schmeling.
    3. About like the third. Schmeling.
    4. Close. Schmeling.
    6. Schmeling connected with some good jabs. Schmeling.
    7. Schmeling's jab did all that was needed. Schmeling.
    8. Incredibly, this was the slowest round yet. Schmeling.
    9. Once again, Schmeling's jab is the deciding factor. Schmeling.
    10-14 incredibly dull in comparison to the previous rounds. All of them go to Schmeling.
    15. This was Sharkey's only aggressive round. Still, Schmeling took it though. Schmeling. Sharkey completed the match with a huge bruise under his left eye. Schmeling looked fine.

    What happened next was shocking. Sharkey was announced the winner of a fight where he hadn't won a single round! Of the 14 rounds on film, Schmeling won 12, hands down, and 2 were even. At most, Sharkey won 1 round, which seems highly improbable. The British commentator (he's got a great voice btw) yelled that it was appalling, atrocious. I literally threw my pages of notes out in the middle of my living room. I added to the announcer's adjectives. Outrageous! Absurd! Ridiculous! Deplorable! Despicable! Disgusting! This is without a doubt the most grotesque robbery I have ever seen. I have never seen such a dominant victory in all of my life. Oddly enough, I knew that Sharkey won this fight, but was still surprised to hear him declared the winner.
    It must be very discouraging for people in Schmeling's shoes to dominate a fight for 15 rounds only to be declared the loser. That's truly when you've seen everything. Sharkey probably knew how Schmeling felt when he won their first fight though. I imagine that both men probably never felt they were legitimate champions, since in a way, they weren't.

    I must comment on each man's performance. I have not the slightest praise for Sharkey whatsoever. What the hell was going on in his mind? What the hell was he doing? How the hell could he have thought for a moment he was winning that fight? One would never guess by watching that match that they were both supposed to be A-level contenders. Sharkey looked as bad as Jim Braddock when he faced Tommy Loughran. Worse, actually. At least Braddock made a little effort here and there. Sharkey didn't do a damn thing. Easily Sharkey's worst performance. He could not rightfully have won a round of that fight.
    I tried to look at everything and thought maybe there was some logical reason for Sharkey's horrible performance. I thought maybe Sharkey had sustained an injury leading up to the fight, or maybe an illness. I also checked to see if this fight has ever been accused of being fixed. I turned up nothing on either issue. Could you help us out here, @KasimirKid?
    Schmeling looked fairly sharp. He flashed a crisp right hand from time to time, and displayed a commanding jab. However, it was not a good performance for Schmeling in my mind. That's not an accusation. I honestly believe that Schmeling knew he was winning easily without putting too much energy into his performance. Because of how lazy Sharkey was, there was no reason for Schmeling to fight harder.

    Verdict: Terrible fight. It was a snoozer, literally. My dad fell asleep after the 8th round he was so bored. As for myself, I enjoyed it early on, but definitely-a really dull fight. Sharkey's worst performance ever, and a mediocre one from Schmeling imo. However, to get the brevity of what a robbery it was, I would suggest watching it for that purpose, and that purpose only.
     
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  2. The Long Count

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    I’ve watched this fight several times (lucky me) I do give some early rounds to Sharkey. Where his jab had more snap, than it does later on. I however also like you give Max 10-14 and 15 1/3 of the entire fight. I know an entire round is missing. But I think I had it like 9-4 of what was available.
    Max’s punches just carry so much more weight behind them as the fight progresses and he moves Sharkey all over the ring who is in full retreat offering nothing but a feeble jab in return. It’s hard to see but you can tell jacks eye is bad too from Max’s punches. Which just isn’t good optics in a fight if you eye is damaged and you are retreating.
    While not as wide as I was told to believe - it was clear to me Max should of won.
    Gene Tunney was in attendance that night with nyc mayor and they both said it was an injustice
     
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  3. William Walker

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    Yeah, 13-0-2 or 9-4, it's still pretty terrible that Sharkey won.
     
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  4. The Long Count

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    I think I found a report in an old thread here press row had it 22-4 in favor of Max with one draw.
     
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  5. William Walker

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    There was something wrong w/ those 4!
     
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  6. 70sFan865

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    I strongly disagree with you conclusion - the fight wasn't exciting, but it was a great technical battle. Both fighters showed tremendous defensive skills and Max used some really nice tricks on offense.

    I didn't have Schmeling winning that comfortably, but I did have it clearly for Schmeling.
     
  7. William Walker

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    I didn't say it was exciting. I said it was dull.
     
  8. Jason Thomas

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    I have nothing to add to what has been said. Schmeling looked the easy winner to me and showed a lot more, although this was far from one of his more impressive filmed efforts.

    Sharkey looked past it. His body had gone soft. He again was badly out-jabbed. I noticed he often faced Schmeling with his feet parallel rather than with the left foot forward and right foot back sideways stance of Schmeling and other boxers. As a result, his reach was shortened and it looked to me like his jabs often fell short. Schmeling's stance optimized his reach and his jab got home. Also Schmeling picked off punches with his higher guard while Sharkey carried his hands low. Whoever scored this sure didn't care about aggression as Sharkey was in almost constant retreat.

    While some question Carnera-Sharkey 2, this looks to me to be the much smellier outcome.
     
  9. William Walker

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    the Schmelier outcome? lol, dumb joke
     
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  10. 70sFan865

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    I know, but I think it was a great fight to watch.
     
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  11. William Walker

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    I agree. I thought Schmeling looked very sharp early on. And it was great to see something longer than their previous meeting.
     
  12. William Walker

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    I would have to say, in all seriousness, that this is one of the best boring fights I have ever seen, because there were hardly any clinches. Boring fights with lots of clinches are somehow a million times worse.
     
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  13. Melankomas

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    I don't understand how anyone can call Schmeling a primitive brawler, it blows my mind. This was a masterclass.

    In spite of his somewhat limited arsenal, Schmeling still utilizes his weapons in a remarkable way. He's also very defensively sound, a prime Schmeling definitely isn't someone to take lightly.
     
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  14. he grant

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    People need t realize Sharkey was past it in the 1930's ... his prime was about 26 - 29 ... that said just rewatched it it was not only a very bad decision , it really seemed to be fixed .. Schmeling was simply faster, threw the order shots and was the aggressor the whole fight ...it was disturbing but that's the problem with a to of these guys, simply inconsistent .. how'd Schmeling lost to Max Baer the way he did ?
     
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  15. catchwtboxing

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    I think it is pretty well acknowledged that this was an organized screwjob. Max "won" The championship flopping, did not defend it for over a year, and made Sharkey wait another year after that. He wasn't leaving with that belt.