The 1920s' FOTYs MAY reflect the mediocrity of the times (for heavyweights at least)

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  1. William Walker

    William Walker Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Let's see what the Ring's FOTYs were:
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    Obviously, not all of these were filmed, so it's impossible to be entirely accurate, but we have four, about five of these fights in the form of video. I honestly think that what's on film is probably for the most part the worst of the lot. Dempsey-Firpo of course is a classic. Tunney-Dempsey I was a so-so fight, not even a good one. The fact that it was chosen as fight of the year, to me at least, is a good indication of what a drab year it was for boxing in 1926. 1927's choice in the Tunney-Dempsey II is a clear improvement. It is a classic, with plenty of drama and action in its final three rounds, but you have to admit, leading up to that, it's not such a hot fight. About like the first. I thought the Tunney-Carpentier fight, despite very limited film of it, looked pretty boring as well. I just can't believe it won FOTY.
    Of course, films of Greb would have been very welcome. The last two fights sound pretty exciting as well.

    Does anybody agree with me? Do you guys think that the available FOTYs show that the 1920s was a bad decade for boxing?
     
  2. BitPlayerVesti

    BitPlayerVesti Boxing Drunkie Full Member

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    There's footage of Loughran Vs Lomski on YouTube.

    I'm not sure bad decade overall, but it was very poor for heavyweights.
     
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  3. William Walker

    William Walker Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I'm rethinking how I phrased the title. Given that, as I even said, half the fights are not available to watch, I probably should have called the thread something like: The 1920s FOTYs reflect what a horrible decade it might have been
     
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  4. Jel

    Jel Obsessive list maker Full Member

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    Not such an eye catching title then though.

    In all seriousness, Greb-Tunney and Greb-Walker should be classics but of course, there's no film.

    I wouldn't take the Ring's FOTY choices from back then as a reflection of the best fights of the year - maybe some of them were just bigger events than great fights.
     
  5. choklab

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    I think the perception of a great fight was different then.

    A big difference between those days and now, I think competitive fights were usually the norm, which is something we would be crying out for today. It was expected then.

    When boxing relied on a live gate, fighters had to deliver much more value. The card had to produce a full evening of entertainment. The gate paid the wages. And this amount of value had to be offered at club level as well as top level. So you had competitive preliminary bouts leading up to competitive main events on club shows as well as big shows. Too many bad fights would kill a show.

    There was no TV money.

    A modern Televised event in the modern age only really needs one “competitive” bout. The rest of the card is made up of prospects beating up the losers. Often the main event isn’t necessarily a competitive match either. It’s the name guy vs the opponent too. The TV covers the show. Less importance in satisfying the live audience.

    I get the impression A really brutal war of a fight could be seen on any given night in any given fight town in those days.

    What we call a A great fight today, was probably just the norm then. Great fights among unknown fighters were ten a penny. So the “fight of the year” was more likely to be just the most high profile match that year. So long as the fight had not stank.. it made fight of the year.

    So a great fight then, a fight of the year, might have just been a highly anticipated show down between famous fighters. Or the best fight between famous fighters.
     
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  6. The Morlocks

    The Morlocks Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Sorry but this thread is ridiculous. One of the greatest decades for action fights in history.
     
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  7. William Walker

    William Walker Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    ha!
     
  8. William Walker

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    maybe, but film certainly is not a good indicator of that
     
  9. El Gallo Negro

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    I've always thought that the 1920s were one of the most interesting eras of HW boxing with plenty of interesting characters, but that it fell way short of its potential because the unofficial color line was still in full effect.
    There are a lot of fights we should have seen from that decade but didn't.
    Props to the fighters who DID get it on, they may have been questioned at the time for doing so, but history remembers them much better than the fighters who didn't.
    But as far as an era to look back on, the 20s is a fascinating era. I wish there was more film available of some of the black fighters of the day, but I'll take what I can get and love finding old film or radio broadcast from this era.
     
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  10. janitor

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    Some of those were very fine fights.
     
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  11. janitor

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    By the way, it might just have been the best decade in boxing history!

    The lightweight division was as good as any in the sport's history.

    Greb vs Walker might have been the best p4p fight of all time!
     
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  12. shza

    shza Active Member Full Member

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    Did black fighters even come into consideration for Ring FOTY in the 20s? Surprised not to see the names Flowers or Wills up there.
     
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  13. DanDaly

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    Probably not at all. Imo the FOTY back then was more of a popularity contest than actual action packed fights. Notice how each year Dempsey fought during that stretch, his name is listed. Jack Dempsey was an entertaining fighter but I'm sure there was something more entertaining than Dempsey-Tunney 1 and 2 during those years...
     
  14. he grant

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    Exactly .. seem based on significance ..
     
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  15. DanDaly

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    Outside of 1922, 1923, and 1925 I'm sure it was probably more of a popularity contest than actually what was entertaining. Had Dempsey fought during 22,24, and 25 I'm sure his name would be up there regardless if they were great fights to watch. Out of the 8 or so weight divisions in those days between 8 years, half of them were heavyweight fights with the same name in 3 of those years. Tunney-Dempsey 1 and 2 were decent scraps but if those truly were the most action packed entertaining fights in all 8 divisions between contenders/champs during those two years then you're right. The 20s (at least the late 20s) truly were awful years for boxing.
     
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