Michael Nunn vs. Gennady Golovkin.

No one who had Clenelo winning both fights gets taken seriously. The best case scenario for Clenelo is that he's 1-1 against a way past prime GGG who he shamelessly ducked a prime version of and the vast majority of observers had GGG winning both of their fights.

A 31 and 32 y/o Mick Nunn lost to Steve Littles and Frank Liles respectively

A 34 y/o Frank Liles lost to Byron Mitchells

A 35 and 36 y/o GGG was robbed twice against Clenelo

Mick Nunn had 176 amateur fights and 43 pro ones when he lost to Steve Littles

Frank Liles had 299 amateur fights and 33 pro ones when he lost to Byron Mitchells

GGG had 350 amateur fights and 37 pro ones going into the first Clenelo fight.

Mike Nunn took up boxing at the age of 13

Frank Liles also took up boxing at the age of 13

GGG took up boxing at the age of 8


I know Mike Nunn was drugs people and it might have shortened his prime but let's not act like GGG is immune to the ageing process and decades of the wear and tear of training like a maniac and having 350 amateur fights fighting with a very aggressive style. My boy Dre retired at 32 y/o due to his body not being able to withstand the rigors of the sport

At least try and give the appearance of being fair, guys. I mean really


''I think what people gotta realize is that, you know they look at my age now of 32 and they don't realize how long I've been doing this since I was 9 years old. That's 22, 23 years.''

--Andre Ward on his 22-23 year long pro career


"People see what I do fight night, they see under the lights, but they don't see the toil, they don't see the grind, they don't see just the pain, the physical pain that you go through, not just in the fights, but to prepare and to get ready for those battles," he said.

"I felt the physicality of the sport, not just in the ring stuff, but the training and the preparation, start to take its toll on me for the last two or three years and I bit down and continued to push through and at this point, it's time and I know it's time."


“I want to be clear — I am leaving because my body can no longer put up with the rigors of the sport and therefore my desire to fight is no longer there,” Ward, 33, said in a statement on his website. “If I cannot give my family, my team, and the fans everything that I have, then I should no longer be fighting.”

“I’ve been boxing for 23 years, and just the cumulative effect of all the training and all the fights, it just starts to wear on you, and it starts to take your desire,” Ward said

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Here's Brit Level David Haye saying he feels his own power diminished with age and that it's not just the fights that take their toll on you and do damage but the training camps do as well

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Froch saying exactly the same - that he knows how he felt at 36 years old

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Well GGG had a far more extensive amateur career than all of them. In fact, he had 38 more amateur fights than they did combined and it's common knowledge that GGG trains like a maniac, which is something lots of fighters who've trained alongside him have commented on. Even Joe Joyce who is super fit and strong commented on how hard he trains.

Joyce's manager too.

''Being around Big Bear and in close proximity to ‘GGG’ has already has given Joe a spring in his step and I’m sure this will only be good for him moving forward.

“It also helps when Gennady is genuinely the nicest man you’ll ever meet. He just wants to help everyone and gave Joe the warmest of welcomes.

“Gennady talks like your next door neighbour but trains like a demon and that can only rub off on Joe.''