Fury needs to recreate Tyson's Spinks ringwalk

So was Ali. But he wasn't in any way as intimidating as Liston, Foreman and Tyson. Neither is Fury.

The hype around Fury is just unreal. It has lost all touch with reality in certain ways. It's just laughable that he would be anywhere near as scary as Tyson.

 

Yeah, I think winning the mind games doesn't have to involve intimidation. It can also involve confusion and doubt. I think the main thing is to throw the opponent off their game.

 

Fury needs to recreate Wilder's ring walk.

 

Andy Ruiz is listed as 188cm = 6'2"
But he is probably somewhere between that and 6'0 and weighs 260lbs.

You are thinking of the much smaller man, Mike Tyson who was 5'10 and around 220lbs.

Tyson was good at intimidating the smaller heavyweights like Spinks. Less successful with the bigger ones like Mitch Green or even Douglas.

Fury would be more intimidating to someone of Joshua's size than Mike ever was.

Is the Bear intimidated by the Pitbull?

 

I know that he is listed at 6'2'', which is laughable. Many boxers, particularly heavyweights, are grossly over listed.

 

Bruno was 235 lbs of ripped muscle. Did he look confident against Tyson?

The KO reel Tyson would have for opponents such as Pianetta and Wallin would be far more intimidating than what Fury have, no matter size. Is the jaguar more intimidating than the panda? **** yes.

This whole BS that Fury would be scary is based on only one fight: the Wilder rematch. And he had to club him for four rds after the initial KD before the corner threw in the towel. And this against a guy with perhaps the worst defence of any top HW ever. I loved Fury's performance in that fight, but it's just taken to such extremes.

 

Well Frank was certainly an Adonis, but he was actually around the same height as Usyk and Holyfield.

Isn't the average height of a modern top 10 heavy around 6'4? Frank would be below average these days. So him being intimidated by Tyson doesn't disprove my point.

Tyson doesn't have an extensive highlight reel of KOing the big men of the division. Though he was KO'd by a few of them himself.

So, I don't think it's difficult to think a 6'8 270lb Fury would be more intimidating to a 6'6 245lb Joshua than a 5'10 220lb Tyson.

 

Why is only height of importance now all of a sudden? Callum Smith is also taller than Tyson. Is he more intimidating now all of a sudden?

But this is all nonsense. Look at Tyson's KO's and then look at Fury's. There are miles between them. Fury has never been seen as a scary KO puncher. Tyson was from the onset, because he blew just about everyone away. He also looked more scary, shorter or not. Fury is more of a goof and doesn't have any really intimidating KO's.

Lots of guys were taller than Tyson. Were Terrell, Bugner, Tucker etc were scarier than Tyson just because they had some 7 inches on him? Of course not. Not even Lewis, who was 6'5 and 250 lbs of muscle and a legit KO puncher was an intimidating as Tyson. To suggest that Fury would be is just...

So just drop it. If you're not trolling me that is, of course. And that's probably the case, so I'll leave it at this.

 

Only mental midgets are intimidated by guys like Mike Tyson. They don't take in street thugs to military special forces, they take guys with university degrees.

 

I'm not trolling you. Not really anyway.

But you seem focussed on irrelevant factors. It's not about whether or not Tyson was intimidating to you or the smaller heavyweights of the 80s. It's whether or not Tyson would be intimidating to 198cm 245lb Anthony Joshua.

Let's look at some facts.

David Jaco 198cm didn't look intimidated in the slightest. And the guy was coming off two KO losses and only weighed 210lbs.
Mitch Green 196cm certainly wasn't intimidated.
Jose Ribalta 196cm didn't seem very intimated either, fought on until the final round and it was a terrible stoppage by the referee when the Cuban clearly could and wanted to fight on.
Tony Tucker 196cm, again, didn't appear to be intimidate at all.
Tyrel Biggs 196cm, got beat up and dissected, but clearly wasn't intimidated going into the fight. Though he probably would be in a rematch. lol
Lenox Lewis 196cm?
Kevin McBride 198cm?

Maybe it was Lou Savarese 196cm who was intimidated...

Personally, I don't think it's trolling to point out reality.

Again,
5'10 220lb Tyson would in no way intimidate 6'6 245lb Joshua.

Joshua is far more likely to be intimidated by Tyson Fury. A bigger man who just rag dolled one of his peers in a one sided beat down (whether you think Wilder is overrated or not). outside of the physical, he's also adept at getting in his opponents heads. Hence Tyson Fury would be more intimidating for Anthony Joshua.

 

Lennox Lewis explicitly mentioned Tyson's diminutive stature as a reason why he didn't find him intimidating: "I was thinking, you're 5'5 and I'm 6'5". Tyson was 5'10 of course but Joshua is 8 inches taller and 25 pounds heavier.

Tyson was hardly immune to fear himself as we saw in the second Holyfield fight; he couldn't even look Holyfield in the eyes in the stare down. It's likely that Tyson would have been more afraid of Joshua than Joshua would have been of him.

Fear is not purely generated by a brutal persona or a formidable KO record: it can also be generated by an opponent's robust confidence, his size and skill, and the stakes of losing. Joshua fought with a lot of fear in the Ruiz rematch not because he was terrified of Ruiz brutalising him physically (even a massive puncher in Wilder has never seriously injured anyone in the ring) but because the black Adonis feared the consequences of having his career ended and reputation destroyed entirely by a morbidly obese Mexican short-arse: the ultimate underdog. This was a ritual humiliation that would be seen by the whole world and repeated online millions and millions of times and Joshua was the victim of relentless trolling as a result. That feeling and the associated dread of defeat will always stay with him, at least in the subconscious.

Joshua isn't as confident in his ability to beat Fury as he knows Fury is in his ability to beat him, which is intimidating in itself (the same is true of the AJ and Fury fanbases). This will be accentuated by Fury's brutal trash talking to further build his own confidence and undermine Joshua's. Top level competitors hate the prospect of defeat in itself because a categorical loss, especially if repeated, confirms in their mind and in the mind of the public that the other man is the better man. Joshua feels very fallible and vulnerable because his experience of defeat as a professional was the most psychologically painful and humiliating defeat of all time. He also knows that Fury is levels above Andy Ruiz, with the ability to further humiliate him, damage his reputation and cost him popularity and support. Fury is also unambiguously physically bigger than Joshua and the favourite, neither of which Joshua is used to. Fury is more skilled, more confident, has better endurance, is more durable, has more heart, is 2 inches taller, has 3 inches more reach, 30 pounds heavier and being bigger inherently carries more of a primal fear factor. And Joshua is a black supremacist who would find the prospect of being beaten-up by a white man for billions to see extremely humiliating and soul crushing, just as it was for Wilder when Fury destroyed him. Joshua has also been marketed far more by the corporate world than the foul-mouthed, politically incorrect fat Irish gypsy, so financially he has more to lose from defeat too.

Excessive fear expends energy, prevents you from thinking clearly and can even paralyse you, so the multitude of fears that AJ carries in respect to Fury are enormously damaging to his chances.