How close to prime was Jersey Joe vs Marciano?

My recent article on the fight. https://imgur.com/gallery/Ox5by7z

 

I'm a Marciano fan and I have no problem with that assesment. Rocky simply wasn't a great boxer, and he could be outboxed. It's the truth. He was great in other areas, notably stamina, determination and punching power. He's the definition of a "take them to the deep end and drown them" boxer.

 

Good post. I can’t see JJW ever beating Marciano. Perhaps if they fought 5x he might get a decision in one

 

You're the sane kind. The rare kind...

It's the others that Ferguson needs to worry about.

 

If he was ever gonna beat him, that first fight was the time, the Rock just had an extra gear.

 

I'm genuinely curious as to why Mcvey was permabanned but not this pisspoor excuse of a poster.

 

I don’t think he was near prime but very well prepared for that first evening.

 

Walcott is difficult to assess.

Here is a very talented fighter who was probably always good enough to be a champion. Very early on Joe Louis’s management were looking at Walcott before deciding on Louis. I think Blackburn selected Walcott but he got ill so they turned to Louis.

So without the funding walcotts career had stalled because he wasn’t able to reach his potential until he got the proper funding. He had a day job and a family. So He retired without approaching his potential. Years later, after the war, he got relaunched. Once he got this opportunity Walcott was always in such excellent shape but also fought in a reserved style so as to preserve the remainder of his career.

Walcott had been held back so long, It was like he was even holding something back in the ring. A lot of close fights he might have won easier. It is probably why it took him a lot of title fights to finally land the championship. He took rounds off against Louis when he had the fight won. The second time he decked Louis, thought he had it won again, he stalled for time and got too confident. Paid a price. Later It took him 3 fights to bite the bullet and beat Charles with a kayo. The forth fight he used more aggression and got a close decision.

I watched an interview with Teddy Bremner once. He said Walcott was always a slick, spoiler, kind of a fighter until the Marciano fight which he called “Walcott's greatest fight”.

Around the time he fought Rocky, Walcott still knew he had one great fight left in him. He’d always held back one performance like that because he knew how damaging it is to fight that way. But defending the title he had fought so long and hard to win brought it all out. Walcott fought like a man possessed because he still had enough left in him to fight like that.

was it his peak? No. But he had never fought like that until then. Walcott was a tiger against Marciano.

if he had been physically better previously, he probably hadn’t been harder to beat than he was that night.

However, Walcott paid a price for that. He had emptied the well. It’s fair to say Marciano was fortunate that there was not another performance left in Joe for the rematch. Maybe if he had Walcott would have won.

 

He was a journeyman whose laudable persistence paid off when the quality of the division receded to his level.

 

I'm honestly amazed at how well you can lie to yourself.

 

I don’t think it’s that simple. If it was then it must have been the same for Archie Moore, George Foreman and Joe Brown or Saoul Mamby.

 

When one actually does research and reviews what was being said of Walcott during his career, one discovers "journeyman" is the tag that was being hung on him and that he was seen as guy who hung around long enough for the division to hit a lull where he achieve.

You are lying to yourself if you deny this.

 

How many of this lot do you rate as a better heavyweight than Jersey Joe Walcott?
Stanley Poreda
Charley Retzlaff
Young Stribling
Ernie Schaaf
Larry Gains
Walter Neusal
Paulino Uzcudun
Tommy Loughran
Abe Simon
Billy Conn
Lou Nova
Tommy Farr
Bob Pastor
Buddy Baer
Elmer Ray

 

Wtf Walcott was a great fighter in great shape.
He was one of the toughest and best boxers to ever enter the ring.

Marciano KO Wlad in 3

Anyone voting past prime is a bozo that has clearly never been to a gym where the high guard is the norm, and where people double up their jab while moving their front foot forward 3.2 inches (not a damn centimeter more or less).

If you asked everyone in the Mayweather gym to pick between Floyd and Rocky, Rocky would easily win 55% of the votes. Wake up people.

*faints*

 

I’ve done my research, and Bert Sugar said Walcott was the greatest. Pack it in, you’re done here.


*faints*