Deontay Wilder v Ali`s top 15 opponents how would he fare?

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  1. Finkel

    Finkel Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Some things to factor in. Wilder for all his flaws has a pretty decent chin. Add to that Wilder has judges in his pocket; it would take an Ali - Terrell shalacking to win a decision.
     
  2. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    I don`t see what`s awful about Wilder`s jab.
     
  3. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Ali missed most of his shots against Terrell because of the high guard.
     
  4. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    I don`t think Ali fought 15 elite fights, 10 maybe, 5 certainly, but 15 is a stretch.
     
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  5. RememberingC.S.

    RememberingC.S. Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    All i know is that Scott Gilfoid is still hysteric over Wilder's exposure as a bum
     
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  6. Surrix

    Surrix Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Well, Wilder is too predictable and one handed. Also he really needs distance to land his bombs with right hand.

    Frazier, if will not get dropped until he closed distance, will not only stop Wilder, he might beat out of Wilder all health and health remainings forever.
    Good gas tank, relatively difficult to hit properly, not bad both hands and ability to land hooks and half hooks not only to head, also body.
    Frazier also had relatively high output ratio. Might throw and throw in long row like machine.
    Frazier had fought in 15 rounds fights era. When knowing that there is just 12 rounds to fight, he might adjust and increase workrate: throwed punches per round.
    Doesn't looks fun for a lot of modern boxers.
     
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  7. Surrix

    Surrix Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Let's count.
    Liston I and Liston II were elite because Liston was champ and there no way not to fight with Liston.
    Frazier I was elite fight, Frazier was champ and like Ali also Oly gold medalist. Definitely elite fight.
    Foreman fight = elite because Foreman was champ and like Ali and Frazier, Oly gold medalist.
    Frazier II = elite fight.
    Frazier III = maybe elit, mabye not.

    Then was Shavers fight, dunno elite or no. Shavers still was cotender and hit very hard.
    Holmes fight = elite fight, Holmes was champ then. Of course Ali then was shadow.
    I think elite fights were also Ali fights for Oly gold and semi final. These kind of fights always are elite fights.
     
  8. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    The olympics fight weren`t elite, Ali was very green during that three rounder and the guy he fought would have been destroye in the pros, plus Ali fought at light heavy in the olympics, this thread is about Wilder v Ali`s top 15 opponents, if you include the light heavy he fought at the olympics then simply no light heavy would stand a chance against Wilder simple as that.
     
  9. Surrix

    Surrix Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Oly fights always are elite because stress level.
    Especially if you know that will have a lot chances if will get gold. Not only attention from pro promoters if you will get any medal, especially gold medal.

    Okey.
    Look at Ali vs Frazier fights. Ali in 70 ies was not prime Ali, still : close fight : Ali better than Wilder. clinch : Ali was good, Wilder no. Ali 2 hands, Wilder 1 hand ( almost ). Frazier gave a lot problems for Ali, actually these were hardest Ali fights. Imagine Wilder in these fights? Only chance he might had: to land someting big until Frazier managed to get enough close.
    The problem that Wilder isn't Foreman. Foreman was smart and more versatile than Wilder.
     
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  10. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    I don`t agree with a lot you just said here, but Frazier would beat Wilder, I agree with that.
     
  11. Surrix

    Surrix Boxing Addict Full Member

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    with stress level at Oly?
    Look how large number of medalists had been signed up by elite pro managers and promoters.
    This gaves a lot chances to get faster track in pro ranks, better purses when you start to fight in pro ranks than for casual beginner pro.
    Guys without sound amateur credentials usually are going longer road in pro ranks until get title fights etc.
    More fights needed to get noticed by elite promoters etc.
     
  12. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Ali didn`t have a fast track to his pro career, he wanted Louis to manage him but Louis statedv Ali would go on to lose all of his heavyweight bouts, he also wanted Ray Robinson to manage him but just before he went to the olympics he introduced himself to Robi outside where Robinson was staying at the time but Ray just walked right past him, that`s how Dundee became Ali`s manager and trainer, Dundee was just a sports journalist at the time, noboy was interested in Ali when he turned pro, he didn`t sign with a big promoter just after the olympics.
     
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  13. Surrix

    Surrix Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yeah, these were old times, I agree.
    I just look at this from modern perspective, now during last maybe 30 years Oly medalists does have high attention from managers, agents and promoters.
    These are easier to advertise and get with them more attention from public than with casual boxer.
    Like if casual, usually gets noticed enough when he does have more than 10 fights in pros.
    Medalists easier gets attention from sport media and then public attention.
     
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  14. Dubblechin

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    Most people in this thread seem to pick Holmes, Foreman, Frazier and Norton as Ali's top four opponents and give them the best chance to beat Wilder (well, maybe not Norton and Frazier).

    But, considering Holmes, Frazier and Norton all beat Ali, too, that's not too bad.

    Nice to see Wilder finally getting some grudging respect.
     
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  15. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Holmes beat Ali when he was ill.