Ali beat Frazier in FOTC

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Amirite?

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  1. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    This was my card, for what it's worth, scored on NY's rounds basis.

    Round 1: Ali
    Round 2: Ali
    Round 3: Even
    Round 4: Ali
    Round 5: Frazier
    Round 6: Frazier
    Round 7: Even
    Round 8: Frazier
    Round 9: Ali
    Round 10: Ali
    Round 11: Frazier
    Round 12: Frazier
    Round 13: Frazier
    Round 14: Ali
    Round 15: Frazier

    Total: 7-6-2 Frazier
     
  2. Cecil

    Cecil Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Well I’m Ali’s biggest fan, but I thought that Joe won.
     
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  3. Flash24

    Flash24 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    That's how I saw it also, with the knock down
    the icing on the cake.
     
  4. Somali Sanil

    Somali Sanil Wild Buffalo Man banned Full Member

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    Nobody thinks Ali won that, he was soundly beat. Joe punished him
     
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  5. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Obsessed with Boxing

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    I think Ali won, and I doubt I'm the only person who feels that way.
     
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  6. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Obsessed with Boxing

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    I believe it was Merchant not Mercante who felt Ali was robbed.
     
  7. djanders

    djanders Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I'm sure you're not the ONLY person who thinks Ali won that fight. Some of those rounds were difficult to score, and scoring by rounds negates the extra point Frazier may have gained for the knockdown in round 15.
     
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  8. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Obsessed with Boxing

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    Yeah as I've stated, if I had to give the fight to anyone using the 10 point must scoring method, I'd give it to Frazier but since the RBR scoring method was used, I think Ali narrowly won it.
     
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  9. WAR01

    WAR01 In the 7.2% Full Member

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    Cry me a river bruh-
     
  10. GOAT Primo Carnera

    GOAT Primo Carnera Member of the PC Fan Club Full Member

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    I scored it in 2016 and can check when I´m at that computer. I had that bout a draw after round 12. Without clowing, Ali indeed might have won a 12 rounder. But Ali didn´t win any round afterwards and lost round 15 big. So yes, at 10 point must he´s 4 points behind Frazier. Thats not close.

    Alot of Frazier beating him was Ali fighting pretty dumb (clowing, arrogantly staying in front of him etc.) and just not continuing with what he did before round 13 (stamina). For some reason, that single fight makes Frazier an H2H artist at fantasy fights for whatever style out there :rolleyes:
    In my world, the version from 65-67 punishes this guy.
     
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  11. Kamikaze

    Kamikaze Bye for now! banned Full Member

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    This- I just cannot see a case for Ali winning, as much as I would love to say he did.
     
  12. JohnThomas1

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    @PhillyPhan69 sounds like one that might be worth scoring even if almost everyone scores it for Frazier. It would be done via RBR of coruse.
     
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    he grant Historian/Film Maker

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    Ali had moments of brilliance and in many ways it was his greatest fight because he had absolutely no business being in that ring against a prime Frazier .. his layoff was huge .. too fast a match after two fast tune ups .. Quarry ended early on a cut and he looked very rusty and flat out different vs Bonavena .. the last minute KO erased a lot of the facts ... for chin to go such a competitive 15 w that Frazier was an amazing performance but he did lose.
     
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    swagdelfadeel Obsessed with Boxing

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    You don't think Ali took round 14?
     
  15. robert ungurean

    robert ungurean Богдан Philadelphia Full Member

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    Frazier won this fight any way you want to score it. Crystal clear win for Joe and he earned it.
    Rewatched the 2nd fight last year and gave it to Joe by 2 rounds.